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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening yeah man fade to black

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bespoke radio for

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the masses

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yeah how you doing today is wednesday

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2021

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105 days into the new year only 260 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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a total undisclosed location

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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far and near this

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is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer networking

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k-g-r-a the planets

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing yeah man

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i'm all fired up i'm ready tonight tracy

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austin is here

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she's here to talk about her new book it

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is called i survived beyond and back

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines

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all night long can't wait for that

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can't wait for tracy what a show last

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serena wright taylor oh man what a

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show what what a week what a week

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tonight tracy austin is here

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and of course she is a host of her own

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at uh kgra and uh she's been doing this

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for a very long time and this

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is a good book and uh which i have

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is going to be unique tonight we're

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doing um ndes

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and near death experiences and i'll talk

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more about that in just a bit

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but we've had quite a few guests over

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and this is one of and again i'm going

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but this is one of those subjects that

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for the conversation to start tonight

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with uh tracy and myself

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so she'll be here at the bottom of the

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now um as you can see the the bunker's

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it's really funny i posted pictures

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the wall um which still isn't done

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there's more to hang and

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and things and and stuff but anyway so i

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and and carolyn ford she replied

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she said hey we gotta have some crystal

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but we're gonna get some crystal skulls

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and it's uh you know i've got i've got

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of course but i want to do something

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and and i'm playing with a few ideas and

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is going to be really really cool and

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lit right and things but looking forward

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i've got it done

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and if you want your own crystal skull

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go visit carolyn ford

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over at einstein the crystal skull.com

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use that promo code jimmy

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we'll get you 15 off of your crystal

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order today now uh coming up

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and i've been warning everybody this con

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this conference is going to sell out

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it's ufo megacon

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i will be there june 6th through the

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12th in laughlin nevada

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i want you to come hang out with all of

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us and of course we'll have the fade to

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booth there and uh we we're going to be

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this is the deal it's limited ticket

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sales we're in the middle of a pandemic

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so limited ticket sales but it's in

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real live people and we all get to hang

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out and i need this so bad

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i need it i need to hang out with all of

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you so fade or not

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go to the website the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com click

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go get your tickets now i don't want it

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to sell out from underneath you

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and and then you're going to see me

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posting pictures of all the fader knots

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hanging out and you're going to go oh i

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shouldn't oh

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man you don't want to be that person go

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and get your tickets now the banners are

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over at jimmychurchradio.com follow me

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on twitter

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it's hump day yes it is

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it's wednesday uh it is hump day

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and you can follow me on twitter at j

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i uh i'm thinking about the weekend in

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new but anyway it's hump day for the

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i'm working all weekend follow me on

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twitter at churchradio hashtag f2b

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is the sandbox hashtag f2bq is fade to

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black questions for everybody

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except for mark tarana all right let's

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get to the breaking news

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crazy day in the news world

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bernie madoff whose name became

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federal prison he was 82 years old his

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like bernie's dead he died today

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of uh 2020 liver failure or whatever who

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happy birthday to today one of my

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anthony michael hall today is 53 years

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16 candles how about national lampoon's

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robert he's a great actor but he was

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amazing as dr rush in stargate universe

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one of my favorite series and ended

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and ended on a cliffhanger too didn't

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make sense adrian brody today is 48.

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great in so many movies but for me it

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the grand budapest hotel and

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i'm gonna end up with this guitar god

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richie blackmore today is

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76 years old and i could go on and on

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uh burn right highway star

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yeah you know smoke on the water of

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burn machine head both of those albums

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absolutely amazing happy birthday richie

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blackmore on this day in history 1865

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president abraham lincoln is shot in the

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head at ford's theater in washington d.c

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the assassin john wilkes booth shouted

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sick semper tyrannus the south

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is avenged then he jumped to the stage

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went out the back and fled on horseback

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the next morning fader fact

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all right now listen i get to the fader

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and it's always unbelievable but it's a

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fact and it was vetted and then i

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presented to you

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this next one is unbelievable

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but it's a fact

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in 1996

286
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mother teresa that's right the

287
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mother teresa underwent an exorcism

288
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in her hospital bed before her death

289
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all of this was after her friend henry

290
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d'souza an archbishop

291
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witnessed strange behavior by her and

292
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believed that she

293
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was possessed by the devil

294
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that's right and that is your favorite

295
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look it up look it up i know what you're

296
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saying right now jimmy come on

297
00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:51,680
man yeah that's your fader fact tonight

298
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very special guest

299
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tracy austin is here going to be talking

300
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about her new book i survived

301
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beyond him back and we've got a few ways

302
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that we are going to structure the show

303
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tonight

304
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:06,720
with tracy i am really looking forward

305
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to this conversation

306
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and then of course tomorrow night need a

307
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cough drop

308
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now i'm good now tomorrow night's

309
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another fader night with open lines all

310
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night long

311
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you know i was thinking today as i hit

312
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this

313
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so good it's got two two two shots of

314
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espresso

315
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in the top oh so good

316
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does that make noise when i drink does

317
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that go into the microphone

318
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as i suck the coffee out of that thing

319
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i was thinking today i was like you know

320
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fader night

321
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took down one guitar at a time

322
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and talked about it each one of the

323
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guitars behind me

324
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,470
you know you know it's weird i'm looking

325
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,240
at the camera

326
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,639
you only see half of them but each one

327
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:17,920
of these

328
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:20,880
has got a story behind it and you know

329
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,399
what they are i was thinking man

330
00:16:32,670 --> 00:16:25,759
that would be kind of fun mark from

331
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:34,710
rivermoonwellness.com

332
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:35,920
and you know i'm going to take the lid

333
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,519
off i i leave the lid on

334
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because you don't want stuff to spill

335
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into your electronic gear

336
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here

337
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to be talking about ndes

338
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and when it comes to near-death

339
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experiences or ndes

340
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:07,199
i do everything that i can like most of

341
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,240
you

342
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to research and learn more about this

343
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:12,319
fascinating subject because it just

344
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frankly

345
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blows my mind and

346
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:19,520
there's so much to consider here

347
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,720
with ndes you know from what happens to

348
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:24,799
your consciousness and your soul after

349
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your body gives up

350
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right then you have the the pure medical

351
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,679
and science side of it what is going on

352
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,600
here

353
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:37,440
all the way over to the you know the

354
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different religious

355
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:41,679
and spiritual beliefs that that go back

356
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:42,720
quite frankly

357
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:46,559
thousands of years

358
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:49,679
here's the other thing there

359
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:53,200
are two basic questions

360
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:56,799
two two basic questions that humans have

361
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:00,080
always asked themselves

362
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:03,360
going just you know i am

363
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:08,000
sure that neanderthal cro-magnon

364
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:11,440
homo sapiens sapien back in the day

365
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pondered you know

366
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,280
where did we come from you know

367
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:21,919
why are we here what happens after we

368
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:28,310
everybody thinks about it

369
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:31,360
now we sort of know more about the first

370
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:32,559
question

371
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,480
you know we're able to analyze dna and

372
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:36,559
look back in archaeology and

373
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,600
anthropologist

374
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,600
and i'm trying to figure out those

375
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:40,799
questions

376
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,240
um now i say sort of because homo sapien

377
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,080
sapien of course just appeared out of

378
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,799
nowhere we don't know how we got here

379
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,240
but we're trying to figure it out we

380
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:52,240
have science behind us and

381
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,760
we're trying to figure it out but we

382
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:55,600
know but

383
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:59,039
that last question you know what happens

384
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:00,320
after we die

385
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:03,520
that that question is still a complete

386
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:06,960
mystery with no definitive answers

387
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:10,480
don't know now

388
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,240
i've told the story many times about my

389
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,799
little month-long visit to the hospital

390
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:18,160
when i was 20

391
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:21,280
20 years old and

392
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:24,960
was it an official nde

393
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,919
now not going into the details of all of

394
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:29,919
that once again

395
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:33,120
but i think about it a lot

396
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:37,360
and i'm not sure the facts are

397
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:40,799
that i was totally out for about four

398
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,799
days

399
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,360
all right and i've told everybody about

400
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:47,440
this before but

401
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:50,720
during that time i didn't have

402
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,080
any of the things happen that we

403
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,679
normally hear about

404
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,679
you know a bright light at the end of a

405
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,679
tunnel you know angels meeting people

406
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:00,880
from our past

407
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:04,640
family friends you know uh

408
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:08,080
out of body above your bed and looking

409
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:08,799
down

410
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:12,400
at yourself and and doctors or things

411
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:13,360
you know no

412
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:16,159
right seeing your life flash in front of

413
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:17,440
you

414
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:21,120
that

415
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:24,799
happened to me in fact

416
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,640
my experience and this i can only share

417
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:31,200
what happened to me my experience my

418
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:32,240
experience

419
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:36,080
was the exact opposite i had no bright

420
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:37,039
light

421
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:41,600
i was only in blackness like this bunker

422
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:44,640
i was alone right

423
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:48,640
at a table in chairs

424
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:52,720
uh that that was lit from above

425
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,919
you know but i was alone i didn't need

426
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,440
anyone

427
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:00,720
and my life certainly didn't play out uh

428
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,760
for me that didn't happen either

429
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,240
right no astral body i wasn't looking at

430
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,400
myself i wasn't out of my body none of

431
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,240
that happened

432
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,520
now here's the deal

433
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,640
i ended up making friends

434
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,799
with all of the nurses and doctors on my

435
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,880
floor

436
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:23,200
because it turned out that i was the

437
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:24,880
only patient

438
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:28,880
that was under like the age of 70.

439
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,000
and you know i'm a i'm a 20 year old

440
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:34,480
long-haired rock and roll dude

441
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:37,679
1980 whenever that was

442
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,520
83 and uh

443
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,520
uh i was different from everybody else

444
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,880
on the floor and i'm not kidding about

445
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:45,280
this

446
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:49,120
and i could actually talk

447
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,240
right oh man well anyway

448
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:56,000
so they would all kind of hang out with

449
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:57,360
me

450
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,960
and at night i had this nurse

451
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,600
named tiny and she she was pretty small

452
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,520
her name was tiny

453
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:08,240
and uh she was she was really cool that

454
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,280
was her name

455
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:12,159
right okay uh maybe she had a different

456
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:13,280
name i don't know

457
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,039
a real name but tiny uh was my friend at

458
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:18,799
night and

459
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,000
um i was awake all night long and we

460
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,760
would talk and hang out there wasn't

461
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,360
a lot for her to do she would do her

462
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:27,280
rounds and and stuff then come back and

463
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,600
just

464
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:30,240
hang out with me and she would also go

465
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,039
down to the

466
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,480
doctor's cafeteria for me at night

467
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,840
right and bring me back steaks i'm not

468
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,559
joking

469
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,440
real food italian food whatever was in

470
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:43,919
the doctor's cafeteria man

471
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,440
was in my hospital room at night

472
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,400
and uh she was awesome but anyway back

473
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:51,840
to the story

474
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:55,440
so none of the nurses or the doctors

475
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,640
were telling me anything you know and

476
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,720
they were keeping me informed but they

477
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:02,400
were keeping me informed about

478
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,600
other stuff but i could sense that they

479
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:08,480
were holding back on something

480
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,679
and it was tiny who spilled the beans

481
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,760
all right now this is what happened she

482
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,400
slipped up one night

483
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,880
and we were sitting you know we're

484
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,000
sitting talking and

485
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,440
and she slipped up and she said

486
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,360
something like you know

487
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,640
you really had a scared

488
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,480
during those four days we didn't think

489
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,720
you would make it

490
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,720
your temperature was going from 90 to

491
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,240
103 and back to

492
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,280
90 every hour and we couldn't stop it or

493
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:41,520
figure it out

494
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:49,669
and she said see that's why we couldn't

495
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,000
tell

496
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,480
you anything we didn't want to freak you

497
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,279
out

498
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:56,000
we were told to keep quiet and i could

499
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:57,120
tell

500
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:01,679
something

501
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:05,039
so yeah i was totally freaked out

502
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,149
i knew at that time speaking with her

503
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:13,840
that i was out of the woods

504
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,400
right i was slowly getting better i was

505
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,240
feeling better

506
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,120
the pain and things it was still there

507
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,480
but now everything was

508
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,520
manageable i couldn't walk i couldn't

509
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,440
get out of bed and i had

510
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,480
ivs in me and and things that were being

511
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,760
changed every two and four hours 24

512
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,760
hours a day it was a miserable

513
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,200
experience

514
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:40,320
but i could tell i was getting better

515
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,600
and i kept thinking especially after she

516
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,960
told me all of this i kept thinking

517
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,440
about those four days

518
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,240
you know and my whole thing with it has

519
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:51,840
always been

520
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:54,960
that it was all just a dream

521
00:25:03,430 --> 00:24:58,240
it's just a dream and i still think that

522
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:03,440
today okay but here's the real deal

523
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,390
i've never been able to go back to that

524
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:12,799
place and i have tried

525
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:15,520
i've tried and i've tried a lot so what

526
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:16,159
was it

527
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,360
but we all have dreams that repeat

528
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,559
i know that i do and it's pretty easy to

529
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,480
make it happen

530
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:31,120
right before bed yeah i want to dream

531
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,080
about

532
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:35,360
that and you do i do

533
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,510
but not that four day dream

534
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:46,400
of me and that blackness sitting at that

535
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,279
table

536
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:50,720
writing music it it

537
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:55,039
no it only happened that one time

538
00:26:03,430 --> 00:25:59,200
one long four day continuous

539
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:03,440
unbroken seamless dream

540
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,520
now if it happens again

541
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:10,559
what right well i'll certainly tell all

542
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,120
of you

543
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,840
seriously i'll do that but what if it

544
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,000
happens again

545
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,720
right that dream that experience that

546
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,240
place

547
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:23,279
is it because i'm in a bad situation

548
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,320
health-wise

549
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,159
there's a medical emergency there's

550
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:28,080
something going on and i go back to that

551
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,279
place

552
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,840
i don't want to have to go through an

553
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:32,720
emergency

554
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:36,799
through that to get there

555
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,000
but if i do get there is it because

556
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,679
of this of a medical emergency

557
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:46,080
does that classify as an nde i don't

558
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,039
know

559
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,799
now reading and i was speaking with

560
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,880
tracy uh about this right before the

561
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,240
show tonight

562
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,279
and that is this in reading her book and

563
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,400
speaking with others so many others that

564
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,320
have had ndes

565
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:03,760
i listen to their experience and

566
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,360
mine has nothing to do with it

567
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:10,720
nothing nothing

568
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,000
so is it an nde i'm not sure i don't

569
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:15,200
think so

570
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,799
i think it was a dream a dream that has

571
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,880
never repeated

572
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,520
there you go i'm your host jimmy church

573
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this is fade to black tonight

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tracy austin is here we are talking

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about

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ndes tonight her new book i survived

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beyond

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him back is out we're going to be

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talking about that

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some great experiences in the book we're

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going to be going through those two as

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well for those that have survived

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we're going to talk about tracy

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personally it's going to be one of those

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nights here in fayette black i'm your

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host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and ktra

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the planet follow me on twitter right

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jimmychurchradio.com i'll be right back

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jimmy jimmychurchradio.com radio

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kgra the

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planet tonight tracy austin

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long

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tracy is back with us to discuss her new

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book it's called i

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survived beyond and back true accounts

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of near-death experiences

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from those who have glimpsed the

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afterlife

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having completed various studies at

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cauldron college of further education in

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1984

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tracy relocated to london a year later

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to study

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at the guide hall school of music and

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drama as a concert pianist

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and to teach her instrument in a number

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of schools

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her interest in ufos and all things

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strange

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00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:47,039
first began there when she witnessed a

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ufo

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00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,240
been an ongoing process

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00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,039
since her first sighting back in 1987

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and she has investigated some highly

725
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,880
strange ufo activity personal sightings

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00:34:02,710 --> 00:33:59,840
of ufos

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continue to this date she is the author

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of welcome to haunted las vegas

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and alien encounters in the western

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united states

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tracy's previous tv show let's talk

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paranormal won

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three three telly awards for its

734
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excellence

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her website is the

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dot tracyaustenshow.com and i would like

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to welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only

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tracy austin tracy good evening how are

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00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:26,800
you hey there jimmy i'm great how are

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you

742
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this is uh this is great for the both of

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us uh you know we're both hosts

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uh we've uh both done a lot of radio and

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television over the years and

746
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i really enjoy it for me personally

747
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,159
when i have another host on the show it

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i i sort of can take a night off right i

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can just

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let things ride and i'm excited about

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uh tonight tracy but before we get there

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how have you been it's been a while

753
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,560
since you've been on the show

754
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,760
it's been a while um i've been busy

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00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,640
uh obviously trying to get this new book

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finished

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00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,839
and out there to the public it's been

758
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about a year and a half in the making

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00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:20,079
um also quite tired at times i have a 19

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00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:21,280
year old cat

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00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,400
who is diabetic and has kidney issues so

762
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,880
i really don't sleep that well jimmy to

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be honest because i'm up feeding her

764
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,320
every two or three hours so

765
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,320
it's uh life's a little difficult when

766
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,000
you're caring for an animal

767
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,480
yeah it is and we're caring for

768
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,000
everybody these days

769
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,839
and uh it it's been a trying

770
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,400
uh time for the entire planet but i

771
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really appreciate you taking the time

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00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:47,520
tonight to come out

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00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,960
and and hang out with us now um i want

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to

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for some of our listeners who may not

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know

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about your background going back to

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00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,040
those college days and you and i have

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00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:04,800
talked about this before

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00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,839
but all of that caught you by surprise

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00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,119
and it's a great it's a great story

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00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:14,079
but it's also part of a life's journey

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00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:14,560
and

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near-death experiences

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00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,960
you could have gone on a completely

786
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,800
different career path

787
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,440
but when you have that paradigm shift

788
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,359
you know you have to follow what is in

789
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:29,200
front of you right

790
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,800
that's right i really didn't have

791
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,480
any choice in the matter to be honest

792
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,480
with you jimmy because

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00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,040
you know i i'd always set out to do

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something with music

795
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,000
and have a have a life in music i i

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first started to

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00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,560
learn piano learn my instrument when i

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was eight

799
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years of age and uh my my parents were

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00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,839
supportive

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00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:54,000
they allowed that to happen and i went

802
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:55,520
on that journey

803
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,640
and i did go to london

804
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,320
i went to the guildhall school of music

805
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,560
and drama and i studied there

806
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,119
to be a concert pianist to have a

807
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,720
performing life

808
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,240
i also uh did some work at the the

809
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,000
london college of music as well

810
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,440
um i had a uh an alcm

811
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,240
there uh which was a diploma for

812
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,680
performance

813
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,000
so my life was pretty much cut out for

814
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,240
me that's what i wanted to do

815
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,240
but right in the middle of london in

816
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:27,359
1987

817
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,800
all that kind of changed for me and

818
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:34,240
it's as if it came finding me it found

819
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,560
me

820
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,680
i didn't go looking for it and

821
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,839
it basically kind of said to me your

822
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,359
life's never going to be the same again

823
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,320
because

824
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,839
you're going to find out what we're all

825
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:45,440
about and what we

826
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,520
do what we are in terms of of ufos

827
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:52,400
and so that was it my life changed

828
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,200
forward

829
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,320
from 1987. have you found

830
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,760
over the years that

831
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,320
the the world of high strangeness right

832
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,400
whether it's paranormal supernatural

833
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:07,520
conspiracy ufos ghosts

834
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:11,359
and ease that everything starts to

835
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,760
get connected right have you found that

836
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:19,040
it kind of does yes um i i've heard the

837
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,079
term before

838
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,160
paranormal soup it's kind of like a

839
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,440
paranormal soup

840
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:26,400
and it really is it's like everything

841
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,200
into the mix

842
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,480
everything is part of the the reality

843
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,520
of the paranormal i've never really

844
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:36,240
considered paranormal to be paranormal

845
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,640
uh

846
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,720
it to me it's it's kind of normal it's

847
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,400
it's part of our life it's part of

848
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,680
everyday life

849
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,599
nothing paranormal about it and i think

850
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:45,520
it's how we deal with that

851
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,359
our way that we consider to be

852
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,480
paranormal

853
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,400
um but these things are with us every

854
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:54,480
day they're part of our existence here

855
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:54,960
on the

856
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,960
deal we could really

857
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:01,040
do about it i think it's just trying to

858
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,160
accept it

859
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,480
for what it is is there anything too

860
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,580
not for me

861
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,640
[Laughter]

862
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:13,680
no no

863
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,119
it's pretty funny how once you start to

864
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,119
go down this path

865
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:22,079
and you have your own personal

866
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:22,960
experiences

867
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,400
and you hear from others and you start

868
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,000
to realize

869
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,400
there's there's anything can happen

870
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,119
right

871
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,880
anything there's nothing really too

872
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,160
strange

873
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,560
right the possibilities are endless for

874
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:39,359
for this kind of uh

875
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,560
genre yeah whether it's paranormal

876
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,480
supernatural whatever you want to call

877
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,920
it um

878
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,760
and i think many people when they

879
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,359
encounter this kind of thing they want

880
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:50,720
to

881
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,240
figment of their imagination

882
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,960
or you know did they do something to

883
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,320
create something

884
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,640
and it's it's not always the case it's

885
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,440
not a figment of the imagination and no

886
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,040
people don't always do something to

887
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,599
create something it interacts with us

888
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,520
and and it's just like i said it's how

889
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,520
we interact back

890
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:15,119
with that now and and here here you are

891
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,319
writing a book about

892
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:19,200
near-death experiences is it something

893
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,319
that you've thought about

894
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:23,040
a lot uh over the years it's it's a

895
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,079
question that we all

896
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,160
wonder about you know what happens after

897
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,359
we die

898
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:29,680
it's a perfectly natural thing to go

899
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,560
through

900
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,960
um was that part of why you wrote the

901
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,880
book

902
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,839
um no not really i mean i've always had

903
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,800
a belief

904
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,599
in the other side i know that we do

905
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:43,520
survive i i've always

906
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:46,960
just had a knowing about that um

907
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,560
and and a quick story here um i i didn't

908
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,079
intend to write this book

909
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,200
to begin with what i set out to do was

910
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:56,960
to write a book

911
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,560
about strange happenings and strange

912
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,079
occurrences

913
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:05,200
within morgues and within

914
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,240
funeral homes because there

915
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:11,280
has to be some strange stories that

916
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,319
people

917
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,240
encounter yeah there's a book there

918
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,920
there's a yeah there's a book there for

919
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,720
sure

920
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,040
there's a book there well i live in las

921
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,040
vegas i tried to reach out to

922
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,960
a number of funeral homes and and while

923
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,720
they seemed to be interested

924
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:27,040
nobody really allowed me to go any

925
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,319
further with it

926
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,240
even with morgues and i thought how the

927
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,599
heck am i going to write this

928
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:34,240
book and i thought okay well you know

929
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:35,440
i've got to have a plan b

930
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:38,800
just in case so my plan b was well

931
00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:42,079
okay near-death experiences and

932
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,560
i set out to write this around about

933
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:47,280
2017

934
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,520
so going through that you know whole

935
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,280
process of grieving

936
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,319
um it kind of took a back seat and then

937
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,359
i started to

938
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,000
write on it slowly slowly but surely and

939
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:03,680
it was coming together

940
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,800
and uh i

941
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,560
i started to have communication with my

942
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:10,079
father from the other side

943
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,839
as mad as that may sound it's the

944
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,960
absolute truth

945
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,760
so in that book i survived beyond and

946
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,880
back of course

947
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,640
my father didn't have a near-death

948
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,160
experience he had a a

949
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,880
full transition to the other side but i

950
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,800
call that chapter

951
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:29,440
regarding my father surviving beyond

952
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:30,400
because

953
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:33,680
i do know that consciousness survives

954
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,319
beyond

955
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,440
the physical form i now know that i've

956
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,720
always known that

957
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,960
but you know in in skyping with my

958
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,119
parents that lived in the uk

959
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:45,520
i would all the time talk with them

960
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,319
about you know

961
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,680
now i know you don't want to talk about

962
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,920
this but when you pass

963
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:52,720
um whoever passes first i'd like you to

964
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,599
come back and

965
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,839
show me and tell me that you made it and

966
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,280
and you're okay

967
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,119
well of course my father but actually

968
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,280
both of my parents were skeptics

969
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,760
but my father used to kind of just look

970
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,839
at me on skype and he'd roll his eyes

971
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:08,319
and he'd look away and he'd say okay

972
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,200
tracy

973
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,079
you know just trying to appease me um

974
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,680
because he didn't believe in it

975
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,200
but five months after he passed

976
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,880
that's when i started to get

977
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:21,520
communication and it's it's been every

978
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,640
single month

979
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,040
without fail for three whole years this

980
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:26,000
month it started

981
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:30,079
april in 2018 there's only two months

982
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:34,400
that i had no communication and um

983
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,910
how's he how's he doing

984
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:37,520
[Laughter]

985
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:41,920
he's doing fantastically well and

986
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,440
what he does jimmy is he he switches the

987
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,720
light on

988
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,920
in my guest bedroom

989
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:53,119
and i didn't know it was my dad at first

990
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,160
actually and

991
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,480
the book i the book that actually

992
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,720
started that communication for me

993
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,800
was called into the light and it's

994
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:03,599
written by a doctor dr john lerma

995
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,760
um and to go to a very long story short

996
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,319
about a month after i lost my dad

997
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,880
my partner and i decided to move house

998
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,520
so

999
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,440
we we got a bigger house we had to buy

1000
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,359
more furniture obviously and

1001
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,040
i wanted a bigger bookcase because i

1002
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,599
used to have a tv show in california

1003
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,359
i had a lot of publishers that would

1004
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,520
send me books so that i could have

1005
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,560
authors on the show and so as i'm

1006
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,560
putting my books on the bookshelf i came

1007
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,599
across this book

1008
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:34,400
into the light and i looked at it and i

1009
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:35,200
thought

1010
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,560
where the heck is this come from why

1011
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,560
have i never read this book

1012
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,079
so i looked inside i still had the

1013
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:42,000
letter inside from the publisher which

1014
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:43,240
was dated

1015
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,280
2007. so this was like 10 years later

1016
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,200
so i thought wow this is interesting i'm

1017
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,280
going to read it so i did

1018
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,599
and started to read it i get to a

1019
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,040
certain chapter i go

1020
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,920
into my guest bedroom where it's

1021
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,119
peaceful it's quiet

1022
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,240
to read this book and i'm reading a

1023
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,000
certain chapter about a woman who

1024
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,880
has stomach cancer named mildred and

1025
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,720
she's in a care hospice

1026
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,960
and of course dr loma goes by to check

1027
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,960
on her one morning asks how she's doing

1028
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,920
and she says well i'm

1029
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:16,000
fine dr lerma but i have a couple of

1030
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,280
questions for you

1031
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,680
he said okay mildred what are they she

1032
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,800
said well

1033
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,839
why i m why am i being visited by

1034
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,880
my deceased loved ones

1035
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:29,200
so he said in the book so that he

1036
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:29,920
wouldn't

1037
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,319
you know frighten her and speed up the

1038
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:34,480
process of her death

1039
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,760
he said to her well you know what

1040
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,839
mildred maybe you are seeing your

1041
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,440
deceased relatives maybe they are

1042
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:41,280
popping in to see you just like i do

1043
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,240
every morning

1044
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:45,280
just to check on you she said okay but

1045
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,000
let me ask you

1046
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,880
this why am i seeing angels in the

1047
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,800
corner of my room

1048
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,280
so he said well tell me more so she said

1049
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,560
well they always stand in this

1050
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,560
particular corner of the room

1051
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,040
they are thus wide they are they reach

1052
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,720
the height of the ceiling

1053
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:03,119
and they illuminate all this bright

1054
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,319
white light

1055
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,920
internally outwards like a light bulb

1056
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,920
and she said they said to me mildred we

1057
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:11,920
cannot communicate with you

1058
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:15,920
unless you initiate communication

1059
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,119
so she did and uh

1060
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,800
i sat back on my chair at that point

1061
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:22,800
jimmy and i thought well i didn't think

1062
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:23,280
i said

1063
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,040
out loud oh my god if only my angels

1064
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,000
would talk to me

1065
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:31,440
i would love for my angels to talk to me

1066
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,960
boom the light went out shut up oh yes

1067
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,599
it did

1068
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,400
boom the light went out so i sat there

1069
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,800
for a moment and i thought to myself

1070
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,359
bloody hell what did i just do what did

1071
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:44,720
i just do

1072
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,920
so um i sat there i waited

1073
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,400
nothing happened i looked at the clock

1074
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,000
it said 10 p.m

1075
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,200
i thought well you know what it's kind

1076
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,440
of late i'll put the book away

1077
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:58,079
i'll read it tomorrow and that was it i

1078
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,720
got off

1079
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,319
i got up off the chair i didn't walk

1080
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,240
halfway past the bed

1081
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:05,359
boom the light came back on

1082
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:08,880
at this point jimmy i said to myself

1083
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,160
okay somebody wants to talk to me

1084
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:14,400
so i scooted right up to the bed and i

1085
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,200
said look

1086
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,800
looking up at the light i don't know who

1087
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,280
you are i don't know whether it's you my

1088
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,040
angels that want to talk to me or even

1089
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,559
if it's you dad

1090
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,960
but thank you whoever you are for doing

1091
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,720
this because

1092
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,480
i know it takes a great deal of effort

1093
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,480
to do what you've just done

1094
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,119
and i have to thank you and please feel

1095
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,400
free to come back and

1096
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,400
visit whenever you want to and i just

1097
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,559
was one with the light for a moment

1098
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,960
and then i went towards the door

1099
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,319
switched off the light

1100
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,280
closed the door and that was it the next

1101
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,480
day

1102
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,960
i wrote an email to two of my

1103
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:51,280
spiritualist medium friends in the uk

1104
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,400
told them exactly what had happened

1105
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,960
they said to me both of them said to me

1106
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,920
tracy

1107
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,359
this is not the work of angels because

1108
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,480
angels are of a much much higher realm

1109
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,319
they don't need to be

1110
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,240
flipping lights on and off to get your

1111
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,160
attention this is your

1112
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:13,599
dad communicating with you and

1113
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,480
uh it's it's never stopped jimmy it's

1114
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,760
never stopped since

1115
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,200
april of 2018 i'm very very thankful

1116
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,000
for it so there was only two months ever

1117
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:25,920
that he hadn't appeared and

1118
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,000
it was uh february of uh 2020

1119
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:32,400
and september of 2020. now i don't know

1120
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,119
why

1121
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,480
but those two months i had no

1122
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,880
communication but he always switches the

1123
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,520
light on

1124
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,760
in the guest bedroom and at the same

1125
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,520
token i've had

1126
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,640
pennies manifest feathers inside the

1127
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,680
home

1128
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:48,960
have manifested and i have

1129
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:52,000
fantastic experiences with hummingbirds

1130
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:55,920
and dragonflies now you know

1131
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,440
you are now uh the crazy lady that talks

1132
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,000
to ghost

1133
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,720
then i'm fine with that right i mean how

1134
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,839
does that make you feel

1135
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:08,640
i i think it's pretty awesome it's

1136
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:11,599
fantastic and i can't explain

1137
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,960
to people how the feeling is unless it's

1138
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,720
happened to you yourself

1139
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,960
it's very very hard to to put it into

1140
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,200
words but knowing that

1141
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:24,400
consciousness survives the physical that

1142
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,800
there's

1143
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,680
just something about us jimmy that

1144
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:28,640
survives

1145
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,480
beyond what we are is just

1146
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,599
it's phenomenal does it relieve uh

1147
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,079
some fear and anxiety about the whole

1148
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:44,470
um it does and it doesn't i mean i

1149
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:48,160
still wonder what it's like i've never

1150
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,640
had

1151
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:51,280
a near-death experience myself so i

1152
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,319
don't know what it feels

1153
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,440
like to actually go down that path to be

1154
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,440
sort of on the threshold of death so i

1155
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:58,720
don't know

1156
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,640
um it's it's still kind of a mystery um

1157
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,800
but with dad communicating the way he

1158
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,040
does obviously

1159
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,960
no pun intended there's light at the end

1160
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,559
of the tunnel

1161
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,800
consciousness does survive in in some

1162
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,240
form and

1163
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:17,440
we retain memories um

1164
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:21,200
how much of that i don't know um

1165
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,800
but you know it's uh it's it's food for

1166
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,319
thought and it's it's it's

1167
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,040
it gives a certain amount of comfort

1168
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,480
knowing that

1169
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,119
yeah okay we survived that's how god

1170
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,280
planned all of this

1171
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:38,240
now as the communication with your

1172
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,880
father

1173
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,319
now this show is about near-death

1174
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,000
experiences but

1175
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,920
but i need to i need to ask you a few

1176
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,520
questions about this uh

1177
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,319
the audience knows my mom passed uh

1178
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,599
about four years ago

1179
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,839
and i haven't had any communication with

1180
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,960
her uh

1181
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,280
i was thinking it was going to happen

1182
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,200
like the next day

1183
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:00,319
uh you know everybody uh shares these

1184
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,359
experiences

1185
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,319
i've never gone through that but the

1186
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,400
communication with your father

1187
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
is it always with um

1188
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,680
uh you know the lights going off where

1189
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:13,280
it's something physical

1190
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:17,760
or are you having conversations

1191
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,960
well it started off with the light

1192
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,640
just switching on by itself and i have

1193
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,160
to say i have

1194
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,960
cats so there's only my partner myself

1195
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,000
and cats

1196
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,960
in this house this door the door to that

1197
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,240
particular room is

1198
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,720
always closed because we don't like the

1199
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,000
cats going in there so there's no way

1200
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,440
that the cats can switch a light on

1201
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,440
nobody's switching that light on

1202
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,839
i just wanted to make that clear um but

1203
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,839
it started off that way and you can see

1204
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:44,880
the light on

1205
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:47,359
from underneath the door that's how we

1206
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,079
know

1207
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,280
that he's visiting wow wow um yeah

1208
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,800
and then um i went to see john edward

1209
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,960
the psychic medium he came to las vegas

1210
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:58,960
in 2019

1211
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,400
at the uh the red rock uh casino

1212
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,440
and uh i was talking to john

1213
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,280
uh about certain things with with the

1214
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,359
afterlife and he said

1215
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,079
to me and he said to everybody else in

1216
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,440
the audience

1217
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,400
um you know the easiest way to actually

1218
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,000
communicate with a loved one in

1219
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:20,160
spirit is to actually write them a

1220
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:21,359
letter

1221
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:25,200
because they do see it and they do

1222
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,720
read it and i thought oh my god

1223
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,440
so within within a couple of days of

1224
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:33,040
going to see john at the weekend i put

1225
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,000
it to the test

1226
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:37,119
jeremy i had a journal on my desk that i

1227
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,680
had bought

1228
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,040
several years ago and it was an

1229
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,960
absolutely beautiful journal

1230
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,599
i didn't want to just write anything in

1231
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,280
it it had to be for something

1232
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,000
important and of significance so when

1233
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:49,920
john said that to me i thought aha

1234
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:52,960
i have the journal on my desk

1235
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,800
so i used that for dad and um

1236
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:59,119
the tuesday after the weekend that john

1237
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,079
had

1238
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,839
come to las vegas i decided to write

1239
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:03,520
down a letter and i wrote him a letter

1240
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,640
just like he was

1241
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,000
alive just you know uh what's up

1242
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,839
how are you doing right what's up how

1243
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,920
are you doing how are things over there

1244
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,520
i hope you're okay

1245
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,119
i just want to tell you i love you i

1246
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:17,599
miss you blah blah blah blah blah

1247
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:21,599
and that was it well within a 24-hour

1248
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:25,520
window the light was switched on

1249
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,640
in the guest bedroom so that was

1250
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,280
proof to me that he'd seen that letter

1251
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,280
and he'd read it just like john

1252
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,720
edward had said to me then

1253
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,040
months down the road like i said i

1254
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,480
started to and

1255
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,400
john said to me by the way if ever you

1256
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,319
find any pennies

1257
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,760
pennies from heaven as it's called as

1258
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:47,680
they're called always check

1259
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:50,960
the year on the penny because the year

1260
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,920
is of significance and i can honestly

1261
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:56,480
tell you jimmy every year i've seen

1262
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,520
stamped on a penny that i have found not

1263
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,680
just found but right there at my feet

1264
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,760
has had a significant date and two of

1265
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,559
them have had 2017

1266
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,839
on them which is the year my dad

1267
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,079
so there is significance feathers that

1268
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,960
have just manifested inside the home

1269
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,960
um just just brilliant things like that

1270
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,880
now i've heard dad

1271
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,079
talk to me um tony rathman

1272
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,240
is a dear friend of mine uh tony shari

1273
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:26,640
rathman in arizona he created the

1274
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:29,920
evox the spirit box and uh they were

1275
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,280
guests on my radio show back in 2018 i

1276
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,640
believe it was

1277
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,079
and so in 2019 i asked tony if he

1278
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,760
wouldn't mind

1279
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,280
you know doing a test to see if he could

1280
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:43,119
reach my dad and

1281
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,799
lo and behold we did so i've heard my

1282
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,000
dad give messages

1283
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:50,720
through that spirit box and actually on

1284
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:51,119
my

1285
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:55,680
cell phone as well i've had evps

1286
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,119
so um when

1287
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,480
when you're communicating okay

1288
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,319
and i want you to take this both the

1289
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,720
right way in the wrong way

1290
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,880
when you're communicating and tony's the

1291
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,319
best and cherie is the best

1292
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:16,950
we hear generalities

1293
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,559
right that sometimes i

1294
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:23,280
think what is happening could apply to

1295
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:23,920
me

1296
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,040
or could apply to anybody

1297
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,799
and and i know you know where i'm going

1298
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,960
with this with your communication with

1299
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,720
your father

1300
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,960
was it those did you have that moment

1301
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:36,079
where

1302
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:40,240
this can only be my father

1303
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,920
yes because my dad said things to me in

1304
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,440
those messages

1305
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:48,079
how he would talk to me in the physical

1306
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,480
life

1307
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,680
right right um you know tony said to me

1308
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,400
for example

1309
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,559
tracy when when he comes and he switches

1310
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,559
the light on

1311
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,960
try to do an evp try to reach him so i

1312
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,880
did and i would sit down in the room

1313
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,599
the light was on he'd switched it on so

1314
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,400
i would

1315
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,160
get my you know my iphone out and i'd

1316
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:07,599
start the recorder

1317
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,040
and i would talk to dad and say hey dad

1318
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,440
how are you you know whatever i hope

1319
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:15,599
you're okay over there

1320
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,319
now i'm not hearing anything audibly

1321
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,680
what i have to do when i

1322
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:22,640
decide i'm done with the recording i

1323
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,200
would then

1324
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,839
send it to tony who would clean it up

1325
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,359
right right his software

1326
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,119
right right then he would send me the

1327
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,400
audio back

1328
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,839
and um that particular moment

1329
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,520
and that conversation when i'm asking

1330
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:38,160
him i hope you're okay

1331
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,000
you can hear my dad say i'm all right

1332
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,200
oh man and it's in a whisper my dad was

1333
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:47,119
a very quiet man to begin with

1334
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,640
it's very hard to have a conversation

1335
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,880
with my dad but they're just things here

1336
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,480
and there and that's what he said and i

1337
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:54,720
still have that to this day on audio

1338
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,839
of him whispering it and saying i'm all

1339
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:58,400
right

1340
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,760
but i said to tony can we can we try

1341
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:02,640
another

1342
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,000
test and we did and i sent tony

1343
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,799
a photograph of me and my dad when my

1344
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,640
parents came to visit

1345
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,920
um in vegas uh on my birthday and this

1346
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,400
was back in 2011

1347
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,720
and i didn't know that tony was actually

1348
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,079
going to use

1349
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,720
that photograph as part of the test it

1350
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:24,160
was just to show him what my dad looked

1351
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,559
like

1352
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,599
right but he used it and um

1353
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:29,520
and he sent me the audio of of what he

1354
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:30,640
was saying and

1355
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:34,319
uh he switched on the evox as he always

1356
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,720
does

1357
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,079
you know you can hear the spirits flock

1358
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:38,319
to the box they start talking to tony

1359
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,920
hey tony or hi tony they address him

1360
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,960
personally

1361
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,599
which is phenomenal he asks them to step

1362
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,280
to one side he's looking for a

1363
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:48,960
particular gentleman

1364
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,799
of the name dan austin and he said dan

1365
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,200
if you can hear me i'm a very good

1366
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,880
friend of your daughter

1367
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,960
she would love to have a message from

1368
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,960
you if you're able to

1369
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:03,680
to leave her a message dan can you hear

1370
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,400
me

1371
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,680
and i'm holding up a photograph here and

1372
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,520
if you can see this photograph you

1373
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,440
should know who's in this photograph

1374
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,640
because one of these people is you

1375
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:18,000
who is the other person there is a pause

1376
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,960
jimmy

1377
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:21,839
and you can hear my dad say that's me

1378
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:22,559
daughter

1379
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,079
oh man and i was

1380
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,760
thrown away now are you

1381
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,240
yeah take me to that moment i've only

1382
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:33,599
got 60 seconds

1383
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:37,520
tracy but are are you sad

1384
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,799
do you feel melancholy are you happy

1385
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,119
what what kind of emotions go through

1386
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,960
you in a moment like that

1387
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,720
well i can honestly tell you jimmy when

1388
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,559
i heard that a whole bunch

1389
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,480
of emotions as i write about in the book

1390
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,559
and that chapter went through my head

1391
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:55,119
i didn't know whether to laugh cry i

1392
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:56,240
didn't know what to do

1393
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,599
there was because that's the first time

1394
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,599
i'd heard my father speak

1395
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,880
since i lost my father in 2017.

1396
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,720
so hearing that voice and you can hear

1397
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,400
some electronics

1398
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:09,200
behind it i mean yeah we don't have a

1399
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,640
voice box when we cross over to the

1400
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,920
other side everything has to be done

1401
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,359
with the mind

1402
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,680
and there is some electronics in that

1403
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,880
voice but it was

1404
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:19,200
very very clear very loud there's no

1405
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,480
mistaking

1406
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,720
of when he said that so i had a whole

1407
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,680
bunch of

1408
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,000
of mixed emotions to be honest man that

1409
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,160
evox freaks me out

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00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:31,280
that's a tasty box and and

1411
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,119
the thing is uh with tony he's a genius

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00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,480
when it comes to that kind of stuff and

1413
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,000
he designs this

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00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:40,880
uh himself and builds it himself but

1415
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:41,359
that

1416
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:44,839
evox doesn't have any

1417
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,559
noise right it's it's just the voices

1418
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,280
and it freaks you out because the the

1419
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:53,520
voices just come out of nowhere

1420
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,799
and you're not hearing all of that

1421
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,640
background stuff that you see on all the

1422
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:58,480
uh the ghost adventure shows and things

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01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,280
like that

1424
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that evox is brilliant and and tony

1425
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,599
really knows what he's doing

1426
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i'm glad he went through that experience

1427
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let's uh let's take our break let's get

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that

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in this is fade to black our guest

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tonight tracy austin

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we are talking about her new book and it

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is out

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now it is called i survived beyond and

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back

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true accounts of near-death experiences

1436
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from those who have glimpsed

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the afterlife i'm your host jimmy church

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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radio

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tracy what's your twitter um

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tracy underscore show there you go we'll

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be right back

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planet

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01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:45,670
welcome back fade to black i am your

1562
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,839
host jimmy church tonight tracy austin

1563
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:49,839
tomorrow night

1564
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,119
vader night open lines all night long

1565
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,599
tonight tracy is here to talk about her

1566
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,720
new book it's called i

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survived beyond him back her website is

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over at jimmychurchradio.com you just

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click on the link right there the tracey

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austin show.com

1571
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,640
and you can check out the book and uh

1572
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,000
before we

1573
01:06:16,589 --> 01:06:13,200
move forward tracy where can everybody

1574
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,599
pick up their own copy um you can go to

1575
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amazon.com and you can order it there

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01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,640
that's the the quickest and easiest

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place to do that other than that

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uh bookstores across the country there

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you go

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i got mine that's all that matters i got

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01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:29,680
my

1582
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:33,440
uh now uh near-death experiences

1583
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:36,799
ndes i need

1584
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:40,799
your definition what is an nde

1585
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,559
well it is a what it is is a near-death

1586
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:45,760
experience it's when

1587
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,280
somebody reaches the threshold of death

1588
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:50,880
they don't quite

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01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:54,559
go over to full death full transition of

1590
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death

1591
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,799
of course dr raymond moody is the person

1592
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:00,480
who coined the phrase

1593
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,400
near-death experiences um an nde

1594
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a near-death experience can be

1595
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:08,559
considered as a

1596
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,359
a sub-category if you like of an obe an

1597
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,359
out-of-body experience

1598
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,400
um but happens under

1599
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:18,640
different circumstances and and

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01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:19,599
basically as

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01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,799
a forced outer body experience usually

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01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,240
happens during a

1603
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:27,520
a critical near-death condition

1604
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,119
and can occur due to trauma to the body

1605
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:33,839
coming so close to death for example

1606
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:34,960
cardiac arrest

1607
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:38,160
a drowning childbirth a coma

1608
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:41,200
or any other kind of life threatening

1609
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,720
condition um an obe

1610
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:46,240
a little different it can naturally

1611
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:48,480
occur to anyone while the body is either

1612
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:49,359
resting

1613
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:54,000
sleeping during meditative states

1614
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:57,920
during sensory deprivation dehydration

1615
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,039
sleep disorders dream dreaming and

1616
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:04,160
can be self-induced at a person's

1617
01:08:12,349 --> 01:08:08,480
will um i've had an obe i have not had

1618
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:12,359
an nde is there a medical

1619
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:19,669
um for death i mean i mean when is

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somebody

1621
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:23,120
and and i'm asking for two different

1622
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:23,759
reasons

1623
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,120
one what does uh

1624
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:30,239
the medical community consider somebody

1625
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:31,520
that has died

1626
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,799
what has to occur and for near-death

1627
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,319
experience

1628
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:39,359
how because you come back right okay so

1629
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:40,719
you've died in combat

1630
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,839
how long can you be dead for five

1631
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,600
seconds and come back and

1632
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,480
is that considered an nde or is that not

1633
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,159
long enough you know are there

1634
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,679
are there uh standards for this

1635
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,759
no people people can have near-death

1636
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,279
experiences that only

1637
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,759
last a matter of seconds right uh and it

1638
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,040
also depends if

1639
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:04,319
they flatlined usually most

1640
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:07,440
do um but there are you know accounts in

1641
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,319
my book where

1642
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,199
they haven't flatlined but have had that

1643
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,600
near-death experience that have crossed

1644
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,799
that threshold and met with

1645
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,719
uh in in a number of cases deceased

1646
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,080
relatives or they've met

1647
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,600
with the angelic realm um so

1648
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:26,159
yeah i mean some people can be gone for

1649
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,120
a few seconds

1650
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:29,759
and by the way there's no it's it's hard

1651
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:30,640
when when i was

1652
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:33,679
researching this and i was talking to

1653
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,359
the um the subjects in the book

1654
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:39,759
it was hard for them to tell me what

1655
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,560
time

1656
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,880
how long they'd been gone because there

1657
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:44,400
is no time

1658
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,279
they thought they had gone

1659
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,960
far longer than what they had gone for

1660
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:55,280
um but yeah absolutely there's no

1661
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:56,080
question

1662
01:10:03,110 --> 01:09:59,920
it all depends on what the reason is

1663
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:03,120
and it can be literally uh you know

1664
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,760
five five minutes four or five minutes

1665
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:07,280
now

1666
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:11,280
is done and you've

1667
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:14,960
interviewed uh so many subjects

1668
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,159
uh for the book what have you learned

1669
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,920
when you walk away from this and think

1670
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,320
about it

1671
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,560
it's really being confirmation for me

1672
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,400
jimmy that i've always

1673
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:29,760
known that this is not

1674
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,640
it uh there is something beyond the

1675
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,760
physical

1676
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,560
that the science community is now

1677
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,480
beginning to understand i mean

1678
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,239
50 years ago you couldn't really talk

1679
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,960
about this kind of thing

1680
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:45,360
but now science is is becoming more and

1681
01:10:48,650 --> 01:10:46,480
more open

1682
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,660
to it and that um

1683
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,760
[Music]

1684
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,520
there it's it seems to be what they're

1685
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:52,800
finding is that the

1686
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,920
the mind and the brain are too

1687
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:57,040
completely

1688
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:00,880
separate things which i find fascinating

1689
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,640
and in the book i do actually interview

1690
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:07,440
a doctor dr lauren belsh who i had on my

1691
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:08,800
radio show

1692
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:12,800
and she is a um she's a doctor who

1693
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:15,920
takes care of patients in the icu

1694
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:19,840
in uh an icu in the midwest

1695
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,000
areas and um she talked to me about

1696
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,199
the patients that she had in the icu

1697
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,679
that had encountered a near-death

1698
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,880
experience

1699
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:33,120
and were very eager and open to talk

1700
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,159
about it to her

1701
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:35,679
when when these kind of things had

1702
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,800
happened and couldn't wait to say to her

1703
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:41,040
hey this is what happened to me listen

1704
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:42,239
to my story

1705
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:45,760
i had a near-death experience and so

1706
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,390
it's it's starting to

1707
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:48,800
[Music]

1708
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,920
become more and more uh popular and

1709
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,000
people are being more open to talk about

1710
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,400
what happened to them a little bit like

1711
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:58,080
you know with ufo sightings some people

1712
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,760
sure don't want to talk about it because

1713
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,280
of ridicule

1714
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,520
well and then you have your first ufo

1715
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:05,440
sighting and you can't wait for the next

1716
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,239
one

1717
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,440
is it the same way with ndes you know

1718
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,840
you know you know what i mean oh that

1719
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:13,440
that was kind of cool i think i want to

1720
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,480
go back

1721
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,560
yeah i absolutely jimmy and i can tell

1722
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,880
you that that everybody i have

1723
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,480
interviewed about this have all said the

1724
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,800
same thing they did not want to come

1725
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,120
back they wanted to stay

1726
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:28,159
but they didn't have well they did have

1727
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,880
a choice

1728
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,719
and in a few of the accounts they did

1729
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:32,320
have a choice and they decided to come

1730
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,280
back they

1731
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,360
one particular person he said he was

1732
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,040
given a second chance

1733
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:40,159
in life because he had a cardiac arrest

1734
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:43,840
in a grocery store just placing apples

1735
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:47,440
into a bag and had a cardiac arrest

1736
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,480
doing so and as everybody

1737
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,000
you know experiences they're out of

1738
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,760
their body they're looking at their body

1739
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,360
and they don't realize at first that

1740
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,239
it's their body that they're looking at

1741
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,480
and uh then they they recognize a little

1742
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:01,840
thing maybe you know they've got a

1743
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:04,320
tattoo on their their body their arm

1744
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,520
they're wearing a certain piece of

1745
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:07,040
jewelry a ring or whatever and they

1746
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,840
realize

1747
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:10,480
hey that's me but they feel perfectly

1748
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,199
fine like

1749
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:13,440
who is that person and then they realize

1750
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:15,040
that's me

1751
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,320
so um but once they've experienced that

1752
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,400
dimension that different realm of

1753
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,600
existence

1754
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,000
um they they describe it that they

1755
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,760
describe it but they say there's really

1756
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:26,880
no words

1757
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:30,880
to fit it because it's just so beautiful

1758
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,440
serene peaceful don't want to come back

1759
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,600
but like i said with the guy in the uh

1760
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,600
in the grocery store who had a cardiac

1761
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,880
arrest

1762
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:41,520
um he did go walking towards the light

1763
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:42,880
but he said he

1764
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:45,760
he felt it was wrong to do that he

1765
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:48,159
didn't feel it was the right thing to do

1766
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:50,480
so he decided he's going to turn back

1767
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:51,679
around

1768
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,719
and walk away from the light and he said

1769
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,719
at that point he heard a voice

1770
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:59,120
he heard a male voice saying to him

1771
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:00,080
you've made the right

1772
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,679
decision and

1773
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:06,080
up until that time he was explaining to

1774
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:07,280
the nurse

1775
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:10,159
um in the icu that he felt you know

1776
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,520
after telling her the story of

1777
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,280
hey i've had this near-death experience

1778
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:15,600
while i was in this coma

1779
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:19,280
um i was not a good man on this earth

1780
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,199
i've had two affairs illicit affairs i

1781
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,199
saw i've not been a great husband

1782
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,120
i'm estranged from my children so i've

1783
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,520
not been a great father

1784
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,520
he said i was not particularly a

1785
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,600
religious man

1786
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:36,400
he was an atheist he said but he came

1787
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,800
back

1788
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,960
from that near-death experience knowing

1789
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,320
jimmy that

1790
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,960
he had to change his life he could no

1791
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,000
longer

1792
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:46,560
go forward living the life in the same

1793
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,360
way

1794
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:50,560
that he had done prior to having that

1795
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:54,080
nde and everybody says the same thing to

1796
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:54,640
me

1797
01:15:03,430 --> 01:14:58,880
that i've interviewed the experience

1798
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:03,440
itself are they all the same

1799
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:06,159
the white light the out of body the

1800
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,199
meeting

1801
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:09,440
uh people from your past and deceased

1802
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:10,239
relatives

1803
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,600
and the the light at the end of the

1804
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,679
tunnel your life flashing before your

1805
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,239
eyes the accountability

1806
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,360
is this consistent with with each one or

1807
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,120
are they all different

1808
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:26,000
in the majority jimmy yes they're all

1809
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:26,719
alike

1810
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:29,840
they do see a light not everybody sees

1811
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:33,120
the tunnel but there is a light

1812
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:39,990
most most times loved ones do come

1813
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:40,560
forward

1814
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,760
or they'll have an angelic presence

1815
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:46,159
but with a couple of the accounts in the

1816
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:47,040
book

1817
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:50,080
uh two two of them in particular they

1818
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:51,120
don't know

1819
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:54,640
whether to label it

1820
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,120
an nde or an obe so i kind of leave it

1821
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,760
open in the book because number one they

1822
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,560
said they didn't

1823
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:05,440
go to heaven they didn't you know cross

1824
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,159
over that

1825
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,800
kind of threshold where they saw

1826
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,280
deceased loved ones

1827
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:14,000
one of the cases happened to see an

1828
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:15,520
angel

1829
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,960
in full flight with wings completely

1830
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:20,480
outstretched

1831
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,760
in a they've had a car accident a

1832
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,440
huge car accident three of them in the

1833
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:27,360
vehicle i don't want to really spoil the

1834
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:28,239
story but

1835
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:31,679
um only he the person i write about in

1836
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:32,560
the book

1837
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,600
miguel is the person that had

1838
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,920
that encounter with the angel whose

1839
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,800
wings

1840
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,480
were fully outstretched and was in

1841
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,719
flight didn't seem to be looking

1842
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,560
directly at him

1843
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,719
when he reached that threshold but

1844
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:48,159
seemed to be looking

1845
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,719
beyond him so miguel said to me it was

1846
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,040
as if this angel was really looking at

1847
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,280
the accident the scene of the accident

1848
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,440
and what had happened

1849
01:17:00,870 --> 01:17:00,320
and then another another account in the

1850
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:00,880
book is

1851
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,719
moshe who had also had a an accident in

1852
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:06,080
a vehicle

1853
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:09,600
but did not go to the other side as such

1854
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:10,640
didn't go to heaven

1855
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:13,679
didn't really see a light but knew that

1856
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,920
he was on the as he called it the

1857
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,120
crossroads

1858
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,320
he could have gone there it it could

1859
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,080
have worked out either way

1860
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,960
but he said he saw as as the vehicle was

1861
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,000
flipped

1862
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,040
um on its side and the roof had caved in

1863
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,520
and it was resting on the side of his

1864
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,360
leg he couldn't open the door

1865
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,679
it was embedded in mud he couldn't get

1866
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,679
out

1867
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,080
everything went quiet and peaceful and

1868
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,159
he said he saw a woman

1869
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,280
walking in front of his car

1870
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:47,840
that was like a a lady that was from

1871
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:48,719
russia

1872
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,560
in black

1873
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:54,400
and he said i tried to grab her

1874
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,080
attention to come and

1875
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:59,040
help me and she just nodded her head and

1876
01:18:01,350 --> 01:18:00,000
refused

1877
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,360
to come and help and he said and i

1878
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:03,440
wondered if she perhaps didn't want to

1879
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:04,719
help because she thought the car was

1880
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:05,440
going to

1881
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:12,159
you know she was in in fear for her life

1882
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,600
whatever even though she

1883
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:15,760
didn't look physical he said that she

1884
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:16,640
was burned

1885
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,760
on one side of her face um

1886
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,679
there was some scarification there from

1887
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:23,440
from this burn

1888
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:27,040
and uh when the medical team

1889
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,159
arrived to use the jaws of life to get

1890
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,600
him out of the vehicle

1891
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:34,080
he asked them the question and he said

1892
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:35,120
can you tell me

1893
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,800
if it's against the law to help someone

1894
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:41,199
when they're in an accident or not help

1895
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,520
someone or not help someone yeah and

1896
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,840
they said what are you talking about

1897
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,320
and he explained and they said there was

1898
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:50,159
nobody there we were the first people on

1899
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,120
the scene

1900
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:53,280
and he said no there was a woman that

1901
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,239
was pacing

1902
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:57,360
up and down outside the vehicle

1903
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,880
watching me she would not help

1904
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,679
and uh by the way i mean he's he's read

1905
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:05,040
the account in the book and he said to

1906
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:06,000
me tracy

1907
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,040
out of every ti every time i told my

1908
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,760
encounter my story to somebody you have

1909
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:14,400
nailed it 100

1910
01:19:20,830 --> 01:19:17,520
so i was i was very happy to do that

1911
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:20,840
now um and how many

1912
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:24,880
times uh have you heard

1913
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,239
about seeing others

1914
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,520
right you you're having this nde

1915
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:33,840
and you're encountering other people do

1916
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:34,719
other

1917
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:38,320
uh have some not seen anybody at all

1918
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,440
is it a lone journey yeah some people

1919
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:43,120
are left alone sometimes when they get

1920
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:44,239
to the other side it's complete

1921
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:45,280
blackness

1922
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,640
complete darkness and then they say

1923
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,719
something starts to happen they do see a

1924
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,239
glimmer of light

1925
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:54,159
um there's not always deceased loved

1926
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,440
ones there

1927
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,520
there's not always angels it's like the

1928
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,600
guy like i said to you in the uh the

1929
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:01,440
grocery store putting apples in the bag

1930
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,560
who had the cardiac arrest

1931
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,199
there was nobody on the other side for

1932
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,440
him he was walking towards that light

1933
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,920
alone isn't that doesn't that kind of

1934
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:13,040
freak you out a little bit

1935
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,400
it's kind of scary it does um

1936
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,080
and and i don't know what the reason is

1937
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,679
for that jimmy because i know

1938
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:21,360
we're always told that you know i mean

1939
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,800
psychic mediums

1940
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,480
the john edwards of the world the matt

1941
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:25,840
frasiers the uh

1942
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,960
tyler henry's theresa caputo they all

1943
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:31,440
all tell us that you know the loved ones

1944
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,719
are there to help us

1945
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,480
cross over to the other side as well as

1946
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:35,840
the angelic realm

1947
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,880
why do some see those and some don't

1948
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,360
because you know obviously they're not

1949
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,520
meant to stay they're going to come back

1950
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,320
that's the whole idea of a near-death

1951
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:48,320
experience as it's coined

1952
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:51,600
um i i just i can't answer that question

1953
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,560
i just don't know

1954
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,480
yeah you would want somebody there to

1955
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:56,800
explain to you what the frig is going on

1956
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,840
right because oh absolutely yeah and and

1957
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,800
i've often

1958
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,920
thought that um when

1959
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,199
you know like when you're hanging out

1960
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:07,520
with a guy like tony rathman

1961
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:10,960
and and of course sheree um and you're

1962
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:14,400
communicating that these spirits

1963
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,520
to me seem like they're confused

1964
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:19,360
maybe they're lost they don't know where

1965
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,560
they're at

1966
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:22,800
you know that's that's that's a kind of

1967
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:23,600
a scary

1968
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:26,239
thought when you're stuck in some place

1969
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:27,760
and you don't have anybody to tell you

1970
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:28,239
what's

1971
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:30,639
actually going on and what to do about

1972
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:32,719
it yeah i agree and you know

1973
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,560
ghosts are different from spirits

1974
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,440
um ghosts i think haven't made that full

1975
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,040
trance and i have seen a ghost by the

1976
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,120
way mine was headless

1977
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:46,560
um no that's not right

1978
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,320
sans lid that's not right at all

1979
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:52,560
it's not right at all no um and that's a

1980
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:53,679
whole other story

1981
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,960
but i think they are stuck um in a

1982
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:58,639
certain

1983
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:02,000
time frame i don't know

1984
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:05,360
um another dimension right

1985
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,679
but you know someone like my dad he has

1986
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:09,679
made that full transition now i don't

1987
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,000
know

1988
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:13,040
if he's really gone completely over

1989
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,800
because of the amount of times he comes

1990
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,159
to visit

1991
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,080
um i've had a psychic medium tell me

1992
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:19,920
that my dad is in between

1993
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,920
the fifth and the seventh dimension

1994
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:26,000
that's why he makes communication as

1995
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,679
often as he does

1996
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,920
i last had communication with my dad on

1997
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:32,400
march the 16th we're almost coming up to

1998
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:32,719
a

1999
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,320
i'm kind of getting

2000
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,840
anxious here i'm getting a little bit of

2001
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,360
anxiety and then

2002
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,040
he'll come and put the light on this

2003
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,920
also is his birthday month on the 23rd

2004
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:49,440
so i'm hoping

2005
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:52,560
that i'm going to get some visitation

2006
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:56,639
from him this month well if it stops

2007
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:00,480
does that mean is it confirmation that

2008
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:03,920
he's at a point where he is now

2009
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:06,800
too far away you know he's he's he is he

2010
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:07,600
is now

2011
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,120
moved on right i mean are you okay with

2012
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:13,199
that if that

2013
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,320
yes you know i i yes and no

2014
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,400
first of all this is all about my dad

2015
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,960
and i want my dad to

2016
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,360
do what he needs to do on the other side

2017
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:26,320
i i want my dad to evolve the way my dad

2018
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:27,440
has to

2019
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:32,709
of course would i be upset that the

2020
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:36,320
communication stops absolutely i would

2021
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:39,760
because um you know it's like

2022
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,960
where do you go from here i mean it's

2023
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:42,400
been it's been three years of non-stop

2024
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,280
communication

2025
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:45,679
and i know there's probably listeners to

2026
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,880
listening to your show

2027
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,639
that have had communication from loved

2028
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:50,960
ones and don't want it to end

2029
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,920
um i know somebody i mean i'm part of

2030
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,320
some online groups in facebook of

2031
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,280
near-death experiences and afterlife and

2032
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:01,520
one lady was was telling me that her

2033
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:04,239
son who made a full transition to the

2034
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,360
other side

2035
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,440
communicates to her by switching the

2036
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:08,800
light on

2037
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:11,920
in the bathroom and leaves things in the

2038
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,639
bathtub

2039
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,080
someone else

2040
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,880
told me that uh one of their deceased

2041
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,639
loved ones puts the light on in their

2042
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:22,560
bedroom but she's taken out all of the

2043
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,679
bulbs

2044
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,679
from the light so that they can't put it

2045
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,199
on i would be

2046
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,000
mortified jimmy to take out every single

2047
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:32,320
bulb in the light that my dad could not

2048
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:36,000
reach me i mean there's no way i could

2049
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:37,440
do that

2050
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:40,800
now uh the the

2051
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,159
other part of it is there did you

2052
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:46,080
encounter and then i want to get to some

2053
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:47,120
experiences

2054
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:50,159
uh but that'll be in the next segment

2055
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:53,360
um have you

2056
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:56,880
encountered some that claim

2057
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:59,679
they've had a near-death experience but

2058
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,080
they

2059
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,480
didn't and and you were able to figure

2060
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,400
that out

2061
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,120
um well again there's just two cases i

2062
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,880
write about in the book that

2063
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:11,520
they're unsure they don't really know

2064
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,000
what

2065
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,719
happened to them right um they don't

2066
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:16,400
know whether to class it

2067
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:20,000
as an nde or an obe

2068
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:23,520
but what happened to them was traumatic

2069
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:24,639
and as i said to

2070
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:28,400
to you a few moments ago an nde

2071
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,679
really is like a sub category of an

2072
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:33,840
obe and out of body experience that

2073
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:35,199
happens

2074
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,679
um under a forced traumatic situation

2075
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,159
and they had a a traumatic situation

2076
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:44,560
which was a head-on car collision

2077
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,679
and uh and and this happened to not the

2078
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:49,120
person in the passenger seat or the

2079
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:49,840
driver

2080
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:52,880
but to miguel who was in the back seat

2081
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:54,400
and he doesn't know why this happened to

2082
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,560
him personally he said but i i don't

2083
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:58,239
know what happened i don't know if i

2084
01:26:02,709 --> 01:25:59,360
died

2085
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,719
i said i don't think i did um

2086
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,080
and i i don't know whether to call it an

2087
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,639
nde or an obe but i was out of my body i

2088
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:08,719
was in this other realm and there was an

2089
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:09,679
angel

2090
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:13,199
above me with its wings outstretched in

2091
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:15,840
full flight and it was he said it was

2092
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,320
the most

2093
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,560
awesome thing i have ever experienced in

2094
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,080
my life

2095
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,320
and then again with marsha and his

2096
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,000
vehicle accident

2097
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:27,040
um so it's it's hard for them to try and

2098
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,400
categorize it the

2099
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:33,120
um let me look at the clock i've only

2100
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,080
got about uh

2101
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,080
60 seconds before the break we can

2102
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:38,560
stretch it to two minutes

2103
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:43,280
um is there also the possibility

2104
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,400
of having multiple ndes in your life i'm

2105
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,639
sure the answer is yes but did you

2106
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:51,360
talk with anybody that has had more than

2107
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:52,320
one

2108
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:55,120
yes and the the first account in the

2109
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:56,560
book is by um

2110
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,159
is for tommy who had three

2111
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:02,320
near-death experiences uh who had a

2112
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,639
motorcycle accident with his wife

2113
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:06,639
totally lost his wife on the other side

2114
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:09,440
they both passed over together

2115
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:12,560
he decided to come back jimmy for

2116
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,080
his children because they were very very

2117
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,400
distraught and he talks about how he

2118
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,600
telepathically

2119
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,920
was in communication with them while he

2120
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:23,440
was on the other side

2121
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:26,480
and his wife remained on the other side

2122
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:29,600
he came back so he had three

2123
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:33,120
all together in that one incident

2124
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,639
um that whole big motorbike accident

2125
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:39,199
and then uh i talked about yvonne who

2126
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:39,920
had

2127
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:43,520
two ndes in a three-week period

2128
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:46,719
no way oh yeah now

2129
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:50,080
okay with yvonne

2130
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,560
i'm very interested in this we talked

2131
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:54,080
about this earlier

2132
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:56,560
not having any issues with going back

2133
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:57,520
right

2134
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,440
well then it does happen

2135
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,920
are you cheating death does she feel

2136
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:04,960
that

2137
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:08,480
you know is she special is she

2138
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:12,159
okay or is she upset that now i've i've

2139
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,719
come back

2140
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:15,280
twice this isn't fair i mean how does

2141
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:16,880
she deal with it

2142
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,920
um very difficult because

2143
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,360
she didn't want to come back she has a

2144
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:22,719
daughter she's actually a french

2145
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:23,600
nationality

2146
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:25,760
is yvonne and her case is quite a

2147
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:28,239
well-known case

2148
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:35,199
she had she had

2149
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,760
heart arrhythmia so her body began to

2150
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:39,920
shut down due to extreme

2151
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,840
emotional distress and

2152
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,920
that's a whole nother story of you know

2153
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:47,920
two angels appearing in her bedroom and

2154
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:48,800
telling her

2155
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,920
it's time to go and she had no fear she

2156
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:53,600
had no fear of going with them she went

2157
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,560
with them

2158
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:56,960
and she said she absolutely knew where

2159
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:58,159
she was going and

2160
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:59,679
before this had happened jimmy she was

2161
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,840
talking to her sister

2162
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:03,600
on the telephone in europe and was

2163
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,199
telling her sister that she'd had a

2164
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:06,480
premonition

2165
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:09,679
that she was going to die and uh her

2166
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:10,080
sister

2167
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,360
couldn't understand it and thought you

2168
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:13,600
know she's just dreaming this she's just

2169
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:14,639
thinking it up

2170
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:17,920
but no she did in fact die

2171
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:21,600
and that was due to emotional stress of

2172
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,679
heart arrhythmia that she had medication

2173
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:25,679
for

2174
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,800
and sleep apnea let's take our break

2175
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:30,400
right here this is incredible what a

2176
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,760
great conversation i

2177
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,840
am your host jimmy church this is fade

2178
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:36,000
to black our guest tonight tracy austin

2179
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:37,920
we're talking about her new book it's

2180
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:39,920
available on amazon you can also go to

2181
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:41,600
tracy's website

2182
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:45,040
i survived beyond and back this is fade

2183
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:46,320
to black i'm yours timmy church stay

2184
01:29:54,270 --> 01:29:47,920
with us we'll be right back after this

2185
01:29:54,280 --> 01:30:04,870
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2186
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:07,990
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2187
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2188
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2192
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2197
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2200
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you are listening to fate to black with

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hi i'm reece vance you're listening to

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jimmy church

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not be televised

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ciao

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jimmy church tonight our guest tracy

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austin moore with tracy in just a second

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our guest tonight tracy austin talking

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about her new book i survived

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beyond him back and i want to i want to

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go through some

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of uh your favorite uh events

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uh in the book tracy but before we do

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religion how many of near-death

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experiences are religious

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are a religious experience

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um well not all of them and

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it doesn't mean to say that you know the

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people in the book

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don't aren't religious they don't

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believe in god or or jesus christ

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they do but that doesn't always show

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itself to them

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they don't always see jesus in the in

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the case of yvonne

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that we mentioned before the break there

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she did

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explained and described was like a

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a flickering flame that was

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moving towards her and it was kind of

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you know almost

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dancing like a fire flame but at the top

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of it she said as it got closer she

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could see the face of

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jesus and she she knew she knew it was

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jesus

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um but not every not every cases is like

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that

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a lot do see uh the deceased loved ones

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some do see angelic beings but not

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everybody sees jesus

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or somebody that claims you know in any

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some kind of form that they're god

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so really religious implications are

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there

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sometimes but not all the time it has

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anybody used

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the word heaven oh yeah

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definitely um they they've all kind of

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used

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that that term heaven um i know that

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with yvonne when i was

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interviewing uh her and uh about her

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encounter she didn't want to call it the

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other side

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because i asked her why she said she

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didn't want to call it the other side

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because

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people might be confused what the other

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side was

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so she wanted to absolutely call it

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heaven

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so i made a point of of writing that in

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the book

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has anybody had a negative experience

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um not in my accounts but i can tell you

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that

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when i interviewed dr lauren belge on my

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radio show i had a

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i asked her this question and she said

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there was

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an account in there of a lady who

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had flatlined uh due to a heart

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condition i believe it was

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and this particular lady had

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she wasn't a very nice person in real

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life

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and she was explaining to dr belge that

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when she reached the other side

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she was first of all thrown into

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darkness

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there were screams she heard from a

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variety of

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areas in this darkness that she couldn't

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she couldn't place

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and then she would see certain faces

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uh evil faces that would come close up

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and she said that she

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she hadn't been a very good person a

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very nice person in real life she was

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mean people had

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told her she was very mean so when she

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came back

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uh dr belge said that she decided she

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didn't want to be that person anymore

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she wanted to change

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and and she did and she changed her ways

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so

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i'd explain to to dr belge then does

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this mean

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as below so above and she said

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absolutely yeah i thought that was

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interesting

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yeah that's what would scare me i uh i

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had on the show

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last year uh right in the middle of

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covid uh the drummer for

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death angel and he got covered early on

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but a a really severe case went into a

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coma

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uh for an extended period of time

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and i don't recall if it was a week or

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two weeks but he was in a coma for a

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long time

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and his experience was in hell

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i mean and that's the only way that he

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can describe it and

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everything that it it uh it changed him

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and it was an experience he did not want

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to have again he did not want to go back

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and he was definitely

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changed it changed him it scared the

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crap out of him

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yeah and it it does i mean i like i said

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i've not

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encountered anyone in my my uh my book

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jimmy that

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uh experienced hell as such but you know

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what i was i was listening to

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uh i was listening to a show

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on coast to coast with the psychic

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medium

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matt frazier and matt frazier was asked

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the question

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is is there a hell he said no

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he's never he's never communicated with

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any spirits

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in hell there isn't there isn't such a

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place so

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i don't know i don't know what to make

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of it uh again i haven't written about

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anybody in my book

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that experienced that other than talking

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to dr balge about that one

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lady who was was mean and knew she was

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mean

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and experienced what she experienced and

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decided

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you know what i've got to change i don't

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want to be this person anymore

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and she did very interesting very

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interesting

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right uh it can't all be bliss

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right no it it can't

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okay let's uh let's go through some of

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your uh

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uh favorite uh survivors uh

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in the book and uh what have you got for

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us first

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well they're all great jimmy to be

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honest i love them all because they're

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all unique they're all different

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um different scenarios of how they came

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to have their near-death experience or

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out-of-body experience but

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the very first one i write about is

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tommy uh

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tommy is such a great guy he's a lovely

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lovely chap he's a

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he's a biker he loves his bike and um

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he was actually taking a vacation a

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number of years ago

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uh with his wife to attend a family

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reunion in colorado and um

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they became in they became involved in a

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terrible motorcycle accident while they

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were out there

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in um in colorado uh they were heading

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to

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this reunion and then after that they

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were going to

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see his wife's friend his wife was named

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julie and her best friend lived in an

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area called

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norwood and that's when the tragic

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accident happened and um they were

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traveling along

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the highway 50 through montrose

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area enjoying the beautiful summer

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day and they were only about 30 minutes

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away

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from reaching julie's friend's house

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when the accident happened

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happened and approximately four o'clock

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that afternoon the driver of a pickup

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truck

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spontaneously decided to make a

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left-hand

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turn right in front of tommy's

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motorcycle

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and he responded as quickly as he could

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he you know he forced on the brakes

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uh which caused his motorcycle to skid

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approximately 180 feet before flipping

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and and

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slamming their bodies with intense force

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into the rear end of the truck

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and tommy remembered nothing

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of the crash's actual impact and his

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wife julie

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instantly died at the scene eyewitnesses

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and other passersby

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stopped their cars immediately they

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dialed 9-1-1

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some of the onlookers ran frantically to

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assist them as they

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lay lifeless in the middle of the road

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and although physically unable to move

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tommy found himself in and out of

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consciousness

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and at one point tommy said he suddenly

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felt himself thrust out of his physical

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body

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and inexplicably standing at the

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roadside

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observing he and his wife's

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body and he said he stood watching the

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scene of the accident

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as the first responders arrived and

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it was tom tommy's first encounter of an

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nde out of those three that he had

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and although he did not think of it as a

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near death and this is this is

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01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,480
kind of odd because although he didn't

2516
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:31,040
think of it as a near-death experience

2517
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:33,840
he considered himself to be dead and he

2518
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,360
said not that moment

2519
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,920
i stood there on the side of the payment

2520
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:39,280
he says and i remember thinking to

2521
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:40,480
myself

2522
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:44,000
wow i just died

2523
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:47,199
and i thought wow it's it's that simple

2524
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:48,960
wow i just died

2525
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:52,000
so um he found himself drifting in and

2526
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,760
out of consciousness before

2527
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,840
entering this particular space of

2528
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,080
crossing over to the other side

2529
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:00,159
uh he felt perplexed at what was

2530
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,560
happening as he encountered sensations

2531
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:04,800
he said of his spirit body

2532
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,239
being pulled in many directions

2533
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:11,199
and he said he could simultaneously

2534
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,400
observe the crash

2535
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:15,119
scene witnessing both the arrival of the

2536
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:15,760
police

2537
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,320
and the paramedics on the crash scene

2538
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,159
and of what was happening to him

2539
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:21,760
so it's kind of like he was watching

2540
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:24,560
from a dual consciousness

2541
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:28,320
and he said he could mentally see how

2542
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:30,159
each of the first responders and the

2543
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,679
police officers

2544
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,560
formed their mental images of what had

2545
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:36,400
happened at the crash scene

2546
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:38,000
and he said it was as if tommy could

2547
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:39,840
literally see inside each one of their

2548
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,800
minds

2549
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,280
and especially that of other previous

2550
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:45,119
similar crash scenes that the paramedics

2551
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,080
had experienced

2552
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,440
throughout their careers and

2553
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,920
um he was telling me that the law in

2554
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:53,199
colorado

2555
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,600
does not require a helmet to be worn

2556
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,600
when riding a motorcycle

2557
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,000
and uh in the police report it stated

2558
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:02,239
that neither tommy nor julie

2559
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:05,440
were wearing a helmet that day partly

2560
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:07,440
correct because tommy was not wearing a

2561
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:09,119
helmet but instead he'd strapped it to

2562
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,719
his motorcycle

2563
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,119
but however julie his wife had worn a

2564
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,119
helmet for the entire trip but due to

2565
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:16,880
the crash's impact

2566
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:18,880
that obviously became loose and was was

2567
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:20,320
thrown off

2568
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:23,679
so um he knew julie had died with him

2569
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:26,880
and could see her in spirit form as she

2570
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:28,239
stood there

2571
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:30,880
by his side on the road on the pavement

2572
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:32,000
incredible

2573
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:33,679
yeah uh he said they crossed over

2574
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:35,840
together and also at various moments he

2575
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:37,040
was aware of seeing

2576
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,560
previously deceased relatives

2577
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:42,800
distant family members who had passed on

2578
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:45,040
many years before

2579
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,960
and also there were other people there

2580
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:49,119
jimmy who were unknown to him people

2581
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:50,239
that he could not

2582
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:53,600
identify so

2583
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:56,800
i guess this kind of thing happens that

2584
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,320
spirit whoever they are are pulled in to

2585
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:02,239
see what's going on and come to that

2586
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:04,239
person's aid

2587
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:07,600
to assist in some way and and then he

2588
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:08,639
was escorted to

2589
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:11,199
uh a hospital he was airlifted to a

2590
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:12,000
hospital at grand

2591
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:16,719
junction and that's where he had another

2592
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:18,639
near-death experience again in and out

2593
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:20,480
of consciousness and then was

2594
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:22,239
well let me let me let me stop you right

2595
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:23,679
there for a second

2596
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:26,960
so he's with his wife

2597
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,520
all of this is going on their their

2598
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:31,760
bodies are in the street

2599
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:34,080
they're observing it the paramedics the

2600
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,040
police it's

2601
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:38,000
it's an accident scene and he knows that

2602
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:40,080
he is dead

2603
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:48,390
did was he conscious of that did he know

2604
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,880
what was going on

2605
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:53,280
yes he knew he knew that he he'd what

2606
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,080
his wife was

2607
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:56,800
was going to remain there um he talked

2608
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:59,040
about his children i think one was 18

2609
01:47:02,550 --> 01:46:59,920
and one was 20

2610
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:02,560
had a son and a daughter and he said

2611
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,679
that

2612
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:05,679
he felt he had to come back because his

2613
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,600
children were so traumatic

2614
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:09,520
he probably had a choice to stay with

2615
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,639
his wife

2616
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,400
but he had to come back for his children

2617
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,320
and and that's what he did

2618
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:16,320
he came back for his children but

2619
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:17,840
interestingly also

2620
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:22,080
um he talked about jimmy how

2621
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:24,639
he there was the loss of ego when you

2622
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:26,320
encounter a near-death experience the

2623
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:26,880
ego

2624
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:29,920
is completely gone

2625
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:32,800
um i said to him i i like calling the

2626
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:35,440
ego etching god out or erroneous

2627
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:38,560
god operating is what i call it

2628
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:41,760
and uh he explained that uh

2629
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:44,719
you know it's gone when you when you

2630
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:45,920
when you're on the other side

2631
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:49,520
he was told he was told that the ego is

2632
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,000
the only human condition and that humans

2633
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:53,679
are the only animal in the physical

2634
01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:55,600
world with one

2635
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,679
uh which to all intents and purpose

2636
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:00,000
creates issues and problems

2637
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,239
for personal gain so um so he's trapped

2638
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:07,440
so he's transported back to the hospital

2639
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:09,920
um or to not back to the hospital to the

2640
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:11,119
hospital

2641
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:14,520
did they revive him did he come back

2642
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:16,239
consciously

2643
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:19,840
did he i mean what happened next

2644
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:22,880
well he's on the operating table and he

2645
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,840
talks about

2646
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:25,760
how he's watching he's now watching the

2647
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:26,880
doctors

2648
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,320
perform medical surgery on him

2649
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:33,360
and from above and he says at a certain

2650
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,719
point during

2651
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,960
the surgery he heard one of the doctors

2652
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:38,239
telling the other

2653
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,960
we've lost him and that they should

2654
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:41,920
perhaps think of

2655
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:44,880
giving up on continuing with the surgery

2656
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:47,040
and he said at that moment he said i i

2657
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:49,199
remember thinking to myself

2658
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,800
that isn't up to you to make that

2659
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,239
decision

2660
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:54,400
that isn't up to you and so within in

2661
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:55,520
moments

2662
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,639
uh he was no longer aware of what was

2663
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,159
going on consciously

2664
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,880
so he lost consciousness completely he

2665
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:05,040
could only later presume that at that

2666
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,400
point the doctors

2667
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:08,880
kind of scurried around the room

2668
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,639
gathering the equipment

2669
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:13,199
to give him a round of shock treatment

2670
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:14,159
and uh

2671
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:15,520
after several attempts you know it

2672
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:18,000
obviously successfully brought him back

2673
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:20,960
into his body uh as his you know his

2674
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:22,800
conscious awareness was no longer able

2675
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:23,679
to see

2676
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:27,199
from above right uh when he regained

2677
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:28,239
consciousness

2678
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,520
um he said he decided not to share

2679
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:33,199
his near-death experience with the

2680
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:35,679
doctors and for a couple of reasons

2681
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:38,560
and firstly he said that he needed to

2682
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:41,520
process the experience for himself

2683
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:43,520
which understandably would take some

2684
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:44,960
time to digest of

2685
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:50,550
and he said he could no longer continue

2686
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:52,400
living his life in the physical reality

2687
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,840
the same way

2688
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,920
that he had done for the past 50 years

2689
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:57,840
with the same thought process

2690
01:50:01,030 --> 01:50:00,159
the same ideas and the same outlook on

2691
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:01,040
life

2692
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,719
completely different way

2693
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,480
and he said secondly he felt that with

2694
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:08,239
all due respect to the doctors

2695
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:11,360
they would not understand what had

2696
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,480
happened to him and that

2697
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,280
consciousness could even remotely

2698
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:16,560
separate itself

2699
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:19,679
from the physical body so they were able

2700
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:20,719
to bring him back

2701
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:25,760
uh like i said he had three yeah

2702
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:28,960
tell me about the second nde

2703
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,520
was it was it that day was it that week

2704
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:35,440
it was that same day it was it was

2705
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,040
actually when he was on the operating

2706
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,360
table when the doctors were working on

2707
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:41,760
him his consciousness was in and out

2708
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:45,280
and then he left and was above

2709
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:48,080
his body a second time himself yeah a

2710
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:49,280
second time

2711
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,400
yeah and then um again

2712
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:55,440
the third one was uh as he had been

2713
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:57,360
brought back into his body again he was

2714
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,440
still wavering in and out of

2715
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:01,199
consciousness and ended up back on the

2716
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:02,000
other side

2717
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:05,119
momentarily and um

2718
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,599
and then decided you know because of

2719
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:09,199
seeing his children what was happening

2720
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,400
to his children

2721
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,560
he tried to telepathically communicate

2722
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:14,239
with them that

2723
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,239
he and his mother were okay they were

2724
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,679
alive they were fine

2725
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:19,920
they were on the other side but he said

2726
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:21,199
they were so

2727
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,400
distraught he had to just he had to come

2728
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:26,560
back there was there was no way

2729
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:30,080
um the third andy he third nde like i

2730
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:31,760
said he explained how to some degree he

2731
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:34,000
could telepathically transmit

2732
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:36,080
or project feelings to his teenage

2733
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:38,239
children here on the earth plane trying

2734
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,000
to communicate with them

2735
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,760
to let them know that even though he and

2736
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:43,280
his wife had crossed over to the other

2737
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:43,840
side

2738
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:46,480
that they were still alive or present

2739
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:48,080
and that both were okay

2740
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:50,320
he tried to influence their thought

2741
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:53,040
process somehow in a positive way

2742
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,880
but at the same time he could also feel

2743
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:56,960
their animosity and resistance

2744
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,840
to what was happening around them and he

2745
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:01,440
said from that dimension

2746
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,440
he could feel that his children his son

2747
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:05,760
18 and his daughter almost 20

2748
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:09,280
how badly they grieved and needed their

2749
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:10,400
parents

2750
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,880
and witnessed their emotional anxiety

2751
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:14,400
for at least one of them

2752
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:17,119
returning to the earth plane so he did

2753
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,159
decide

2754
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,480
he needed to come back and he did i i

2755
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:22,800
often wonder

2756
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:25,040
that when you're going through an

2757
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:26,880
experience like that and you get the

2758
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,800
second chance

2759
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,719
and you start having those thoughts i

2760
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,159
need to make changes

2761
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:34,159
i haven't been good there's thing you

2762
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:36,400
know and you're gonna make any deal

2763
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:39,520
with yourself at that moment

2764
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,119
but then after life moves on how many

2765
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:45,920
actually do change or do they fall back

2766
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:48,639
into their old ways

2767
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:52,480
um i've i've not encountered anybody

2768
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,679
who's

2769
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:55,760
done that fallen back into old ways they

2770
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,119
have this whole new

2771
01:53:00,950 --> 01:53:00,159
sense of renewed like i have a second

2772
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:00,960
chance now

2773
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,880
i have to make things work i have to

2774
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:04,719
give it my best shot

2775
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:06,880
so no jimmy i haven't i haven't heard of

2776
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:09,119
anybody falling back into old ways

2777
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:12,560
no ah because i think we all do

2778
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:15,679
you get you get one bad report card

2779
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:18,560
you get in trouble you get grounded

2780
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,719
you're gonna now do your homework every

2781
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:22,400
night you're not gonna study you're

2782
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:24,320
gonna pass every test

2783
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:28,320
that lasts for like six weeks right

2784
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:31,920
yes but this near-death whole near-death

2785
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:32,560
experience

2786
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,920
is a profound one

2787
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:37,840
that cannot be denied i don't know being

2788
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:39,280
grounded for a month was pretty

2789
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:42,239
profound for me as a kid i was a good

2790
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,500
girl i've never been grounded

2791
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:45,360
[Laughter]

2792
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:48,480
now um and and with

2793
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:51,920
tommy um i'm picturing a certain guy

2794
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:54,000
when you say motorcycle

2795
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:57,199
i'm you know i'm picturing a a biker

2796
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,560
was he a biker um

2797
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:02,719
he wasn't a biker biker but he just like

2798
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:04,159
that life of you know the leather

2799
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:06,080
jackets he's got the beard

2800
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:07,920
right just like that freedom of riding

2801
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:09,199
his his bike

2802
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:13,440
so to speak and what's he like today

2803
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,199
what is he like today um well uh he's a

2804
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:19,360
fascinating character he's writing his

2805
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:22,880
own book based on his experience and

2806
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:25,119
it's actually called the ego

2807
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:28,400
system because

2808
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,360
he lost his ego during his near-death

2809
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:33,360
experience he's a changed man as a lot

2810
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:34,480
of people are

2811
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,840
um he says that um

2812
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:39,760
it's uh what did he say he said that

2813
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:42,560
life is a blessing he said so we have to

2814
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,000
live it up and enjoy it he said we

2815
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:48,639
already come into the world knowing

2816
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:50,480
this we already knowingly have the

2817
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:52,639
information because we all came

2818
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:56,320
from that dimension um but unfortunately

2819
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:58,239
it says through life it's taught

2820
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,520
out of us and he said love doesn't work

2821
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:03,760
so well here on the earth plane

2822
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:06,880
due to the system we have in place

2823
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,239
it's all about love they all the the nde

2824
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:12,320
experiences talk about love it's all

2825
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:14,080
about love on the other side there's no

2826
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:15,199
negativity

2827
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:17,599
there's no doubt there's nothing like

2828
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,560
that

2829
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,960
um for tommy today he's no longer afraid

2830
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:22,639
of dying just like all the other

2831
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:26,880
nde people or afraid of death

2832
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:29,599
and he says he knows for sure that death

2833
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is not the final outcome

2834
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:35,199
and that consciousness instantaneously

2835
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:37,040
survives the transition from the

2836
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physical body to its spiritual one

2837
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:42,320
now the obvious question does he still

2838
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:44,560
ride a motorcycle

2839
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:47,679
yes really yes

2840
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:50,159
and has he been in communication with

2841
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,920
his wife

2842
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:53,520
i've asked him that question he says

2843
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,360
periodically yes his wife will

2844
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,199
communicate with him

2845
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,199
now you said something very very

2846
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:02,159
interesting out of this whole story

2847
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,960
uh this whole experience probably the

2848
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:06,719
most interesting thing is

2849
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:10,159
that his wife transitioned

2850
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:14,000
he did not why

2851
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:16,560
was it was that her decision why

2852
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:17,440
wouldn't

2853
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:20,880
she want i i it's just such a

2854
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:24,560
compelling part of the story it is and

2855
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:27,199
i i don't have an answer for that as as

2856
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:28,159
does tommy

2857
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:29,520
tommy doesn't have an answer for that

2858
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,199
either i mean obviously

2859
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:34,000
we have to say that it was her time to

2860
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,599
make that transition

2861
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:38,000
it wasn't for some reason she was not

2862
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:39,920
meant to come back

2863
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:43,520
obviously there was more to tommy's life

2864
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:46,800
he came back and and not to hers and not

2865
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:47,360
to hers

2866
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:50,080
yeah that's it's just just and it must

2867
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have been

2868
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:53,679
we've all seen that sad movie right

2869
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,000
we've seen it and that's like that must

2870
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:58,159
be the saddest of all

2871
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,480
knowing that you guys are going in two

2872
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:02,560
opposite directions

2873
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:06,560
that are the ultimate journeys

2874
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:10,480
exactly exactly it's a it's a very sad

2875
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:12,880
situation and has as he said to me you

2876
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:15,280
know tracy there's many times where i

2877
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:17,360
feel very depressed i have those moments

2878
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:18,560
of depression

2879
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:21,840
i have moments of why why her

2880
01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:25,280
why not me uh i said i i knew i had to

2881
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:26,480
come back

2882
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:29,760
she she couldn't

2883
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:32,800
she was going to remain there um

2884
01:57:37,589 --> 01:57:35,360
i don't know i mean only god really

2885
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:37,599
knows the answer to that question

2886
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:40,000
absolutely incredible story incredible

2887
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:41,520
story i want to read his book

2888
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:44,639
uh when it comes out uh let's uh let's

2889
01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:46,080
get ready for our next

2890
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:48,159
break let's get this in this is fade to

2891
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:50,080
black i am your host jimmy church

2892
01:57:53,669 --> 01:57:52,320
i guess tonight tracy austin you can

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check out tracy when

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when is your show airing on what night

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

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welcome back fade to block our guest

3005
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:52,400
tonight tracy austin

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02:02:56,149 --> 02:02:54,080
great to have her back on the show the

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02:02:59,430 --> 02:02:56,159
new book is i survived

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beyond and back

3009
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:01,199
we're going to continue this discussion

3010
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:02,719
fascinating i mean

3011
02:03:09,669 --> 02:03:06,000
all of this uh tracy is just so

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02:03:13,589 --> 02:03:09,679
so fascinating uh to me i know

3013
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:13,599
that physics i talk about this every

3014
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:16,080
night on the show i'm repeating myself

3015
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:20,080
physics and science has a hard time

3016
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:21,119
discussing

3017
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:23,760
the soul and consciousness they can't

3018
02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:25,119
figure it out

3019
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:28,960
and when you hear about experiences like

3020
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:31,040
this that so many have had

3021
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:32,400
you know that there's something else

3022
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:34,639
going on science just wants to fight

3023
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:37,119
this man

3024
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,960
it's just it's fascinating to me right

3025
02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:42,880
like you said the law of gravity and

3026
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,599
physics we experience

3027
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:47,840
here on the earth plane it doesn't apply

3028
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:50,239
to the spiritual realm at all

3029
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:51,599
you know you know who is the most

3030
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:54,159
spiritual person in the world

3031
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:56,400
the physicist that's about to crash in a

3032
02:04:01,189 --> 02:03:58,000
plane

3033
02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:01,199
dude i'm sorry i'm so sorry

3034
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:04,480
i had it all wrong oh man there you go

3035
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:07,360
it's the truth man it's the truth uh

3036
02:04:10,629 --> 02:04:09,360
richard dawkins man when the plane is

3037
02:04:12,709 --> 02:04:10,639
going down

3038
02:04:14,149 --> 02:04:12,719
is he's going to be the most spiritual

3039
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:14,159
man you know

3040
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:17,760
uh okay that being said

3041
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:20,960
uh share another story with us what have

3042
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:22,159
you got

3043
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:24,480
well uh we talked a little bit about

3044
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:25,360
yvonne

3045
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:29,040
earlier um had her

3046
02:04:35,589 --> 02:04:33,360
near-death experience in 2008 and um

3047
02:04:37,430 --> 02:04:35,599
she was raised in belgium but she's a

3048
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:37,440
french nationality she lived in france

3049
02:04:42,149 --> 02:04:39,280
for a time

3050
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:42,159
she held a professional career there in

3051
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:43,119
diplomacy

3052
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:46,560
as a consulate at the embassy

3053
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:50,159
but yvonne's nde happened while she was

3054
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:51,360
you know she'd moved to the united

3055
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:53,280
states here and it was

3056
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:56,480
uh the first of two near-death

3057
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:57,599
experiences

3058
02:05:01,430 --> 02:05:00,400
all within a three-week period and the

3059
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:01,440
first occur

3060
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:04,560
occurred during her sleep apnea

3061
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,520
and the second happened weeks later when

3062
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:09,599
her heart had completely

3063
02:05:13,270 --> 02:05:12,400
stopped beating and and like i said

3064
02:05:15,189 --> 02:05:13,280
previously

3065
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:15,199
she had had a phone conversation with

3066
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:17,760
her sister in europe

3067
02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:20,719
and uh she she told her that she she

3068
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:22,239
felt she was going to die

3069
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:24,320
well one particular night as yvonne was

3070
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:26,239
getting ready to go to bed

3071
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:30,000
having taken medication for sleep apnea

3072
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:32,320
she lay resting on the bed with her head

3073
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:33,440
on the pillow

3074
02:05:39,189 --> 02:05:36,560
and suddenly yvonne

3075
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:39,199
could see herself lying there in the bed

3076
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:40,639
with the head on the pillow and at the

3077
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:42,159
foot of the bed

3078
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:45,920
stood two giant beings

3079
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:48,960
of light angelic beings that were

3080
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:49,760
dressed

3081
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:52,880
in long white robes who telepathically

3082
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,000
communicated

3083
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:56,400
with yvonne and told her that it was now

3084
02:06:00,310 --> 02:05:58,480
time to go

3085
02:06:02,310 --> 02:06:00,320
and she told them that she was going to

3086
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:02,320
go with them and she felt no fear

3087
02:06:09,270 --> 02:06:05,679
whatsoever was this the first nde

3088
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:09,280
or the second this was the first

3089
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:11,360
the first okay let's stop right there

3090
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:12,880
for a second

3091
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:16,480
she was she at this moment

3092
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:20,480
was she obe watching the two beings

3093
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:23,840
uh look at her in bed or

3094
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:26,880
was set that up for me well

3095
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:29,040
um let's see here like i said she was

3096
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:34,229
resting in the bed with her head on the

3097
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:35,599
pillow

3098
02:06:40,470 --> 02:06:38,000
now obviously she she must have through

3099
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:40,480
her medication of sleep apnea she

3100
02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:42,719
was out of her body because she could

3101
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:44,079
see herself lying there

3102
02:06:47,589 --> 02:06:45,760
in the bed with her head on the pillow

3103
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:47,599
right so she was out

3104
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,800
of her body she was obe she was obe

3105
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,280
and at the foot of the bed she stood

3106
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:54,800
there there stood at the bottom of the

3107
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:55,679
bed

3108
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,320
two beings of light angelic beings

3109
02:07:02,310 --> 02:06:59,760
dressed in long

3110
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:02,320
white robes who telepathically

3111
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:04,239
communicated with her and said it was

3112
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:04,960
time to go

3113
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:07,040
fear whatsoever she had no fear of

3114
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:09,119
letting go of her body

3115
02:07:12,709 --> 02:07:12,000
and she just described it as a normal

3116
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:12,719
natural

3117
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:17,119
feeling which is odd to understand but

3118
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,320
that's what she said and she said um

3119
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:22,639
in in in the beginning of the book here

3120
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:23,920
uh

3121
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:26,480
jimmy i actually put a little quote that

3122
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:28,000
belonged to

3123
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:31,040
what john lennon had actually said in

3124
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:31,840
that

3125
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,840
he wasn't afraid of death because it's

3126
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:35,280
just getting out of

3127
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:38,719
one car or one vehicle and into another

3128
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:42,079
and she agreed uh with with that

3129
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:44,560
uh in you know john lennon's quote at

3130
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:46,159
the beginning of this book

3131
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:48,320
um she said in that in that a person's

3132
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:50,320
physical body is like that of a car

3133
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:52,639
your spirit is the driver inside the

3134
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:55,040
vehicle you get out of the vehicle

3135
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:58,320
and you no longer have any regard or use

3136
02:08:01,589 --> 02:07:59,840
for it

3137
02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:01,599
and she and although yvonne knew that

3138
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:03,280
she would be leaving a family and a

3139
02:08:05,830 --> 02:08:05,119
daughter behind as much as she loved her

3140
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:05,840
daughter

3141
02:08:10,030 --> 02:08:07,679
who was the number one person in her

3142
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:10,040
life she described the feeling as being

3143
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:13,360
transported into another

3144
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:16,639
dimension another new reality

3145
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:19,040
and moving forward and that everyone and

3146
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:20,320
everything that she left

3147
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:23,119
behind would be totally fine she didn't

3148
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,760
feel any

3149
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:25,599
any sadness she just knew that

3150
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:26,880
everything would be

3151
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:30,159
okay and she explained that the two

3152
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:33,360
beings were escorts from heaven and that

3153
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:34,880
they had come to pick her up

3154
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:36,800
and were leading her towards a specific

3155
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:38,000
location

3156
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:41,760
taking her to where she called back home

3157
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,079
heaven and she said she felt

3158
02:08:50,069 --> 02:08:48,560
a mighty power from these two beings and

3159
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:50,079
knew that no harm

3160
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:53,040
would come to her as she stood in

3161
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:53,840
between the

3162
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,159
the two of them and she described in a

3163
02:08:59,830 --> 02:08:57,920
split second how she was traversing

3164
02:09:03,109 --> 02:08:59,840
across the entire universe

3165
02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:03,119
finally finally arriving in a place uh

3166
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:06,880
wholly illuminated with pure light

3167
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:08,960
and she said she realized she had been

3168
02:09:14,310 --> 02:09:11,199
transported to another dimension

3169
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:14,320
where she called heaven and waiting for

3170
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,520
her there

3171
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:17,920
was a group of a relatively large group

3172
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:19,199
of people who

3173
02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:22,079
approximately 25 people or so all

3174
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:24,079
showing their excitement

3175
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:27,119
for her return home and they greeted her

3176
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:28,480
with words like

3177
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:31,520
she's back she's back and she said

3178
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:33,840
yvonne felt the celebration and the

3179
02:09:38,390 --> 02:09:36,320
rejoicing of her return

3180
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:38,400
and although she felt she knew them and

3181
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:40,719
that they were familiar to her

3182
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:42,960
she she could not recognize them right

3183
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:44,320
away

3184
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:46,719
but knew them to be from what she

3185
02:09:51,189 --> 02:09:48,159
referred to as her

3186
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:51,199
soul group um so

3187
02:10:05,030 --> 02:09:54,480
wow that is interesting that whole thing

3188
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:08,069
she's traveling the stars yes right

3189
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,079
and i've often thought about that so

3190
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:12,000
many have talked about you know that

3191
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:14,719
uh consciousness and soul you know it's

3192
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:16,400
it's universal

3193
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:19,440
has to be everywhere right and

3194
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:21,520
that's right i don't know where i don't

3195
02:10:26,390 --> 02:10:23,360
know if we stay on this earth

3196
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:26,400
right in that you maybe

3197
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:29,360
reincarnate or incarnate reincarnate

3198
02:10:31,990 --> 02:10:30,480
into another body

3199
02:10:34,870 --> 02:10:32,000
maybe you're a dog maybe you're a

3200
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:34,880
schnauzer uh maybe you're a human

3201
02:10:38,069 --> 02:10:37,679
and you're in a young baby that's being

3202
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:38,079
born

3203
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:42,880
there's that or

3204
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:45,440
do you go to another star system right

3205
02:10:49,830 --> 02:10:47,920
do you go to another planet

3206
02:10:51,750 --> 02:10:49,840
well it's a million dollar question

3207
02:10:53,589 --> 02:10:51,760
isn't it i mean a lot of people who have

3208
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:53,599
the near death experiences a lot of them

3209
02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:54,400
do

3210
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:57,199
describe themselves as if they are out

3211
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:58,400
there in space

3212
02:11:02,390 --> 02:11:00,960
right they do describe that um and

3213
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:02,400
that's what she described

3214
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,760
and she said that um these group of

3215
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:07,920
people about 25 or so were all waiting

3216
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:08,960
there for her return

3217
02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:12,480
home as she called it and although

3218
02:11:15,669 --> 02:11:14,400
they were familiar to her she couldn't

3219
02:11:18,069 --> 02:11:15,679
recognize from a

3220
02:11:19,990 --> 02:11:18,079
her soul group souls she'd incarnated

3221
02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:20,000
with or reincarnated with

3222
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:23,840
numerous times and described the moment

3223
02:11:28,390 --> 02:11:24,719
as returning

3224
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:28,400
home to her real family

3225
02:11:33,910 --> 02:11:31,520
wow that's incredible that's incredible

3226
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:33,920
that's incredible i mean i don't i don't

3227
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:35,760
want to i don't want to check it out

3228
02:11:40,310 --> 02:11:38,800
now but i do want to check it out

3229
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:40,320
eventually

3230
02:11:44,229 --> 02:11:42,400
that's uh that's not just yet we'll just

3231
02:11:46,709 --> 02:11:44,239
give it some time yeah let's get i'm

3232
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:46,719
cool right now i i got more guitars to

3233
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:47,679
hang on the wall

3234
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:51,440
yet um oh i wanted that oh hold on we

3235
02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:53,040
got to get back to yvonne do you still

3236
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:55,119
play piano

3237
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,840
do you know what jimmy i haven't played

3238
02:12:02,149 --> 02:11:59,280
for the whole 20 years

3239
02:12:02,870 --> 02:12:02,159
i've been on american soil that's not

3240
02:12:05,189 --> 02:12:02,880
right

3241
02:12:08,629 --> 02:12:05,199
you don't even go to like guitar center

3242
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,390
around no i don't i mean occasionally if

3243
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:14,560
someone has a keyboard at their home i

3244
02:12:17,750 --> 02:12:15,679
have a little

3245
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:17,760
play around but i mean that's all it

3246
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:18,800
really is

3247
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:21,119
it's like my life went down a completely

3248
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:22,480
different path you know

3249
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:24,719
i know i know i did the tv show in

3250
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:27,040
california for six years and i i just

3251
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:28,079
got involved with

3252
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:31,119
uh media and it's like my instrument

3253
02:12:33,350 --> 02:12:31,520
just

3254
02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:33,360
took a backseat yeah yeah i know i know

3255
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:35,119
do you have a keyboard in the house

3256
02:12:39,990 --> 02:12:37,679
somewhere in the closet with dust on it

3257
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:40,000
oh god you're gonna hate me for this no

3258
02:12:45,669 --> 02:12:43,119
okay i listen i will get a grand piano

3259
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:45,679
at some point don't got it yeah don't

3260
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:47,520
don't procrastinate

3261
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:49,679
do it tomorrow do it tomorrow shoot me

3262
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:51,440
an email jimmy

3263
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:53,840
check out my new grand piano um okay

3264
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:54,800
back to yvonne

3265
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:57,040
okay so she's with her soul group

3266
02:13:01,830 --> 02:12:59,119
somewhere in the universe

3267
02:13:02,870 --> 02:13:01,840
but she comes back what happens well

3268
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:02,880
first of all though

3269
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,520
um while she's there with that group by

3270
02:13:09,750 --> 02:13:07,440
the way she does recognize

3271
02:13:12,229 --> 02:13:09,760
i found this to be very interesting she

3272
02:13:14,830 --> 02:13:12,239
recognized a certain lady

3273
02:13:16,149 --> 02:13:14,840
standing in the group who made her way

3274
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:16,159
forward

3275
02:13:19,270 --> 02:13:17,760
and she said after a few moments of

3276
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:19,280
trying to remember

3277
02:13:24,870 --> 02:13:22,320
who this lady was she had a strong

3278
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:24,880
recollection of when she was a teenager

3279
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:27,199
approximately 13 14 years old and that

3280
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:29,599
this lady was the mother

3281
02:13:36,470 --> 02:13:32,800
of uh one of her friends whose house

3282
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:36,480
she'd stayed in at a time for for a few

3283
02:13:39,589 --> 02:13:37,360
months

3284
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:39,599
she said and her friend's mother cared

3285
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:40,719
for yvonne

3286
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:42,400
for those few months as if she were her

3287
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:44,960
own daughter and yvonne remembered the

3288
02:13:49,350 --> 02:13:46,480
intense connection that they

3289
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:49,360
had both shared and she said upon

3290
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:50,960
stepping forward the lady touched

3291
02:13:54,310 --> 02:13:52,159
yvonne's cheek

3292
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:54,320
telling her that she knew yvonne's life

3293
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:55,520
on earth

3294
02:14:00,470 --> 02:13:58,800
was a difficult one but she said still

3295
02:14:02,629 --> 02:14:00,480
however difficult she explained that

3296
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:02,639
yvonne had to go

3297
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:05,440
back and somewhat quickly before her

3298
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:06,320
body

3299
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:09,599
could not accept her soul again so

3300
02:14:14,390 --> 02:14:12,719
yvonne acknowledged the conversation and

3301
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:14,400
indeed of the the difficulty she was

3302
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:16,880
experiencing of her life on earth

3303
02:14:21,030 --> 02:14:18,719
and at that very moment the same two

3304
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:21,040
angelic beings who had first escorted

3305
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:22,000
her

3306
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:28,239
lightning-like

3307
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:30,880
speed to where they'd initially appeared

3308
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:32,480
in yvonne's bedroom

3309
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:35,920
and uh she went back

3310
02:14:50,550 --> 02:14:38,960
she went back to her body and

3311
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:53,669
or did she just come back to life

3312
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:55,360
she just came back to life i mean she

3313
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:57,119
she lived alone right right

3314
02:15:01,030 --> 02:14:59,760
right alone and by the way she was

3315
02:15:02,950 --> 02:15:01,040
always terrified of

3316
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,960
of somebody coming into the house and

3317
02:15:15,669 --> 02:15:04,320
finding her

3318
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:19,430
when i when i lived alone i had this

3319
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:24,000
crazy fear right like for real

3320
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:27,040
that i would be

3321
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:31,119
found dead in the wrong situation right

3322
02:15:35,430 --> 02:15:31,840
whatever that

3323
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:35,440
situation may be i didn't want to go out

3324
02:15:39,430 --> 02:15:36,000
like

3325
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:39,440
that right and it happened

3326
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:42,560
because i had seen uh

3327
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,719
a photograph i was studying at the time

3328
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:46,000
i was researching

3329
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:49,040
um spontaneous human combustion okay

3330
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:50,639
that's what i was i was researching at

3331
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:52,159
the time and i

3332
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:55,440
and and i come across a photograph of a

3333
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:56,560
guy that had

3334
02:16:02,709 --> 02:15:59,599
spontaneously human combusted

3335
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:02,719
but he was found in this recliner in his

3336
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:04,400
boxer shorts

3337
02:16:11,589 --> 02:16:08,800
right with a tv remote in his hand

3338
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,599
oh right like that i don't want to be

3339
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:13,599
found like that

3340
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:16,639
not in my boxers with a remote with the

3341
02:16:20,069 --> 02:16:17,599
recline

3342
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:20,079
no no i don't want to go out like that i

3343
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:21,280
guess you have really no

3344
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:24,079
saying it do really just be fully

3345
02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:24,719
clothed

3346
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:28,239
at least at least i don't want

3347
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:32,080
my pale white ghost you know

3348
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:37,190
absolutely no i don't want to be found

3349
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:40,240
like that okay so now she comes back

3350
02:16:44,950 --> 02:16:42,880
she is back and all of this was a

3351
02:16:46,309 --> 02:16:44,960
conscious memory for her she remembered

3352
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:46,319
everything

3353
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:49,200
she did yeah and you know what the most

3354
02:16:55,349 --> 02:16:49,599
most

3355
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:55,359
do remember because jimmy it's it's a

3356
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,439
profound experience it's something that

3357
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:59,599
people just don't forget because of what

3358
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:00,880
happened to them it was just

3359
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:03,200
so unbelievably profound three weeks

3360
02:17:07,509 --> 02:17:04,000
after

3361
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:07,519
um yvonne's initial nde

3362
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,160
she then experienced her second

3363
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:12,240
encounter

3364
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:14,800
yvonne sat reading a book on her couch

3365
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:17,120
one day and she began to feel

3366
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:20,639
all of her organs shutting down

3367
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:23,679
within moments and as painful as that

3368
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:24,479
might sound

3369
02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:28,000
yvonne said that she no physical

3370
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:30,880
pain whatsoever because at that precise

3371
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:31,760
moment

3372
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:34,399
she felt herself slipping out of her

3373
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:36,319
physical body only to find herself

3374
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:37,599
immediately

3375
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:41,040
transported into a light um

3376
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:44,479
for yvonne there was no tunnel of light

3377
02:17:48,070 --> 02:17:46,160
uh like so many other near-death

3378
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:48,080
experiences describe

3379
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:50,399
um but in her case she was immediately

3380
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:52,080
transported directly

3381
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:55,280
into it and she described the light as

3382
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:55,760
if

3383
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,599
which i found interesting she described

3384
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,439
it as if on an intense

3385
02:18:03,110 --> 02:18:01,200
foggy morning and not being able to see

3386
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:03,120
any surroundings

3387
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:05,359
um as as the fog or in this case the

3388
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:10,790
i'd submerged her completely in it she

3389
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:12,960
said there was no beginning to it

3390
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:15,040
and there was no end to it only the

3391
02:18:20,309 --> 02:18:17,120
overwhelming intensity

3392
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:20,319
of love and brightness

3393
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:23,519
from the light that permeated her entire

3394
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:24,479
being

3395
02:18:27,830 --> 02:18:26,000
and she said she was alone in the light

3396
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:27,840
she felt nothing but unconditional love

3397
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:28,559
and joy

3398
02:18:33,429 --> 02:18:32,240
and this incredible euphoric state of

3399
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:33,439
being which

3400
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:37,439
all nde people say they feel

3401
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:39,519
uh she said breeze of any kind and felt

3402
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:40,800
nothing

3403
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:44,559
but one of well-being her mind was alert

3404
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:46,880
her vision was perfectly clear along

3405
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:48,880
with her awareness which was greatly

3406
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:49,760
heightened

3407
02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:52,800
as all nde experiences say that they

3408
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:54,000
have

3409
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:55,519
a heightened awareness of everything

3410
02:19:01,589 --> 02:18:58,479
colours are so vivid there is no

3411
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:01,599
uh no name to describe the colours that

3412
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:03,679
are seen on on the other side

3413
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:07,679
and she explained that heaven is a place

3414
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:09,519
of experience where there's no doubt

3415
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:11,200
there's no negative thoughts and one of

3416
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,800
all knowing

3417
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:14,639
and she says she prefers to call it

3418
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:16,880
heaven rather than the other side

3419
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:19,439
as she explained that people may become

3420
02:19:23,429 --> 02:19:20,719
confused

3421
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:23,439
as to what the other side is but by

3422
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:25,280
calling it heaven people will probably

3423
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,080
have

3424
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:28,399
uh some form of an understanding and a

3425
02:19:32,469 --> 02:19:30,080
sense of it being an actual

3426
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:32,479
place because that's what she said she

3427
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:40,070
um she said it was vast it was expansive

3428
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:42,399
and this is what she observed of her

3429
02:19:46,389 --> 02:19:43,760
time being there

3430
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:46,399
and that the vastness and the magnitude

3431
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:47,359
of it

3432
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:49,439
made a think of the well-known verse

3433
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:51,439
from the bible

3434
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:53,920
in my father's house there are many

3435
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:55,120
mansions

3436
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:56,640
relating it to the many different

3437
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:58,240
dimensions and levels

3438
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:01,439
of the spirit world and she said she was

3439
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:02,000
submerged

3440
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:04,640
in this beautiful radiant all-embracing

3441
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:05,200
light

3442
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,920
uh she wasn't alone for long and in the

3443
02:20:12,309 --> 02:20:08,880
dilucent

3444
02:20:15,830 --> 02:20:12,319
energy form of some kind making its way

3445
02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:15,840
to water and um it resembled that of a

3446
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:17,200
fire flame

3447
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:19,359
and she said it was spontaneously moving

3448
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:20,880
hovering and flickering

3449
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:23,840
as it made its way in her direction

3450
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:25,359
except the fire flame

3451
02:20:30,950 --> 02:20:28,399
was that of pure energy

3452
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:30,960
and nothing but light and as the energy

3453
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:32,640
form moved closer

3454
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:35,280
yvonne said she could see a face sitting

3455
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:36,240
at its top and

3456
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:40,000
immediately knew this was jesus

3457
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:42,160
and she said now directly in front of

3458
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:43,760
her the energy form

3459
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:46,319
suddenly wrapped itself around yvonne

3460
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:47,680
engulfing her

3461
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:49,120
and she said she felt what she could

3462
02:20:54,309 --> 02:20:51,200
only describe as the purest

3463
02:20:55,510 --> 02:20:54,319
form of a love of both the father and

3464
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:55,520
the mother

3465
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:58,720
all blended into one

3466
02:21:01,990 --> 02:21:00,640
as if it was the most perfect of love

3467
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:02,000
from two parents

3468
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,880
protective nurturing caring and secure

3469
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:06,479
yet strangely

3470
02:21:16,950 --> 02:21:12,399
the energy was neither male nor female

3471
02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:20,389
so um now did you did you

3472
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:24,560
ask her why she thought that the two

3473
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,000
ndes were so different

3474
02:21:32,230 --> 02:21:30,720
right the first one two beings take her

3475
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:32,240
across the universe

3476
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:35,120
you know and and and there were her soul

3477
02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:37,840
family was there to greet her

3478
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:39,600
this didn't happen during the second

3479
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,880
event why were they so different

3480
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:44,960
um she doesn't know i mean obviously it

3481
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:48,080
was both two two medical conditions

3482
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,880
the first one uh heart arrhythmia and

3483
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:52,399
the second one

3484
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:02,309
but she knew what she felt she knew

3485
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:03,520
where she was

3486
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:06,720
uh she knew that she had reached the

3487
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:08,479
other side she didn't want to come back

3488
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:09,200
even though

3489
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:11,760
she was leaving her daughter to to be by

3490
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:12,800
herself

3491
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:16,080
um it was just a

3492
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:18,240
an amazing experience she said she did

3493
02:22:22,309 --> 02:22:19,680
actually end up

3494
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:22,319
walking towards a celestial city with

3495
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:23,359
jesus

3496
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:26,160
himself and there was angels angelic

3497
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:28,399
beings there and and children

3498
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:31,520
um that were there being cared for by

3499
02:22:36,870 --> 02:22:32,640
angels

3500
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:36,880
fascinating um now how how does this

3501
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:40,319
second experience um end

3502
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:49,750
um she said that um

3503
02:22:53,429 --> 02:22:52,880
she just obviously you know came came

3504
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:53,439
back

3505
02:22:56,710 --> 02:22:55,520
in in her in her bed i don't think she

3506
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:56,720
she didn't go to the hospital or

3507
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:58,160
anything like that

3508
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:01,200
um she described how she just

3509
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:04,399
come back into her body no well the

3510
02:23:07,830 --> 02:23:05,760
second experience

3511
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:07,840
i think wasn't she reading a book on the

3512
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:09,840
couch she had been reading a book

3513
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:13,600
on her couch right yep um so

3514
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:16,319
with her organs shutting down was she

3515
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:17,600
revived

3516
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:19,600
was she taken to the hospital or did all

3517
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:20,800
of this again

3518
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:24,000
just happen at her home it happened at

3519
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:24,880
her home

3520
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:26,560
and she again she re-entered her

3521
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:28,479
physical body right describing it as a

3522
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:29,920
natural feeling

3523
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,120
um she didn't feel any pain back in her

3524
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:35,760
body describing it as a natural feeling

3525
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:39,920
and uh not all nde experiences returned

3526
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:41,520
to their physical bodies without

3527
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:43,840
experiencing some form of pain

3528
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:46,880
but in yvonne's case her lack of pain

3529
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:48,319
was an exception

3530
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:50,479
but no she just ended up back in her

3531
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:52,560
body re-entering her body

3532
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:55,680
that's fascinating and uh was there

3533
02:24:03,030 --> 02:23:58,880
any uh explanation

3534
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:03,040
for why her organs shut down

3535
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:06,880
um it had been due to the medication was

3536
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:09,439
too strong

3537
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:13,200
incredible that's incredible before we

3538
02:24:18,469 --> 02:24:14,800
head to the break oh

3539
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:18,479
um uh do you do you have a

3540
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:22,000
short nde experience you can share with

3541
02:24:27,110 --> 02:24:24,399
us before the break when we come back

3542
02:24:28,790 --> 02:24:27,120
we haven't talked about ufos tonight i'm

3543
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:28,800
going to ask you to stay over for

3544
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:29,920
overtime there's

3545
02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:31,920
so much that is going on in the ufo

3546
02:24:35,110 --> 02:24:33,280
community right now

3547
02:24:36,550 --> 02:24:35,120
and i haven't spoken to you in quite a

3548
02:24:38,469 --> 02:24:36,560
while i want to get

3549
02:24:39,590 --> 02:24:38,479
all of your insight on that so we'll

3550
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:39,600
come back uh

3551
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:47,190
worry that you can share with us um

3552
02:24:51,670 --> 02:24:49,920
yeah it isn't a near-death experience

3553
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:51,680
because those are quite lengthy

3554
02:24:55,510 --> 02:24:53,439
in the book but i can tell you about my

3555
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:55,520
out-of-body experience that i had jimmy

3556
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:58,160
please um yeah i've never experienced a

3557
02:25:01,830 --> 02:24:59,840
near-death experience

3558
02:25:03,429 --> 02:25:01,840
and this is when i lived in england i

3559
02:25:06,870 --> 02:25:03,439
went to bed one night

3560
02:25:07,830 --> 02:25:06,880
um i was uh obviously living in the

3561
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:07,840
house with with my

3562
02:25:13,670 --> 02:25:10,960
my partner at the time back then

3563
02:25:15,190 --> 02:25:13,680
and this was many many years ago some 20

3564
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:15,200
plus years ago

3565
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:18,720
and i'd gone to bed and

3566
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:20,560
literally just got into bed hadn't even

3567
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:22,000
fallen asleep

3568
02:25:25,990 --> 02:25:23,840
and as i'm lying there i'm lying on my

3569
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:26,000
right hand side and i i

3570
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:27,920
can still see it to this day and i'm

3571
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:29,520
facing the window the curtains were

3572
02:25:34,469 --> 02:25:30,720
drawn

3573
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:34,479
and all of a sudden it's like my body

3574
02:25:40,389 --> 02:25:38,000
started to roll to the left-hand side is

3575
02:25:43,590 --> 02:25:40,399
if i'm falling out of the bed

3576
02:25:45,349 --> 02:25:43,600
and i hold on to my duvet

3577
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:45,359
and i remember saying to myself as i'm

3578
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:46,880
rolling oh

3579
02:25:51,429 --> 02:25:48,960
like what the hell's happening and i

3580
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:51,439
expect it to fall on the floor

3581
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:53,760
and i write about it in the book um in

3582
02:25:58,150 --> 02:25:55,439
the chapter of obes

3583
02:25:59,349 --> 02:25:58,160
versus ndes because the similarities but

3584
02:26:01,349 --> 02:25:59,359
they are different

3585
02:26:02,870 --> 02:26:01,359
and so as i'm thinking i'm going to hit

3586
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:02,880
the floor

3587
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:06,640
there is a moment of nothingness

3588
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:10,160
and then i my consciousness is there

3589
02:26:16,309 --> 02:26:13,680
and i'm thinking where the hell am i

3590
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:16,319
and i'm staring up at the ceiling but it

3591
02:26:22,070 --> 02:26:18,160
took me a few moments to understand

3592
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:22,080
that i'm looking at the ceiling and um

3593
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:25,359
and i'm there and i've got my my hands

3594
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:27,200
palm upwards towards the ceiling and in

3595
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:28,880
this particular a lot of homes

3596
02:26:33,110 --> 02:26:31,280
in england uh jimmy especially in old

3597
02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:33,120
homes older homes

3598
02:26:39,990 --> 02:26:35,920
we have something called our texting and

3599
02:26:44,870 --> 02:26:43,030
mine in plaster and there was our

3600
02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:44,880
texting on this particular ceiling in

3601
02:26:47,510 --> 02:26:46,560
the house that we were renting at the

3602
02:26:49,590 --> 02:26:47,520
time

3603
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,600
and i i didn't know where i was it took

3604
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:51,680
a few moments to realize

3605
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:54,800
oh my god i'm up at the ceiling

3606
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:57,600
and i could feel all of the pattern of

3607
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:00,080
the plaster the swirls in the pattern

3608
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:03,600
of the plaster on my palms and i

3609
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:06,800
realized oh my god i'm up at the ceiling

3610
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:09,520
and i started to move myself along the

3611
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:10,800
ceiling

3612
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:14,319
and um i never had that thought

3613
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:17,120
to look back at my body in the bed

3614
02:27:20,469 --> 02:27:18,080
because

3615
02:27:22,550 --> 02:27:20,479
to me there was nobody in the bed to me

3616
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:22,560
i was there up at the ceiling

3617
02:27:28,469 --> 02:27:26,399
i was there so um it didn't last long i

3618
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:28,479
mean it only lasted about 12 to 15

3619
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:30,000
seconds at the most

3620
02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:33,280
but it was the most odd peculiar

3621
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:35,359
thing that's that's really happened i

3622
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:36,800
mean even out of

3623
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:38,640
ufo sightings and having some

3624
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:40,240
involvement with

3625
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:44,319
beings that is the most oddest

3626
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:47,200
of things i've ever experienced now okay

3627
02:27:50,690 --> 02:27:48,880
i'm gonna ask you the simple question

3628
02:27:52,389 --> 02:27:50,700
what were you doing the night before

3629
02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:52,399
[Laughter]

3630
02:27:56,150 --> 02:27:54,720
do you know i don't remember i it was it

3631
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:56,160
was nothing that i shouldn't have been

3632
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:58,319
doing let's put it that way i think i

3633
02:28:03,349 --> 02:27:59,840
might have remembered that

3634
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:03,359
how 15 sec do you remember transitioning

3635
02:28:07,510 --> 02:28:04,880
back into your body

3636
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:07,520
no just straight in my body straight

3637
02:28:10,150 --> 02:28:08,720
back in my body

3638
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:10,160
and when i woke in the morning i

3639
02:28:14,389 --> 02:28:12,560
remembered it and i didn't know

3640
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:14,399
what it was i don't know what and i i

3641
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:16,479
actually went online and tried to do

3642
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:18,640
some research and that's when i come to

3643
02:28:22,389 --> 02:28:19,920
find out

3644
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:22,399
oh god i had an out of boundary

3645
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:23,200
experience

3646
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:26,560
that's what it was have so did you try

3647
02:28:29,429 --> 02:28:27,200
to

3648
02:28:32,469 --> 02:28:29,439
maybe figure out how it was done and

3649
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:32,479
tried to repeat it

3650
02:28:37,510 --> 02:28:35,600
um about it but i you know my mind takes

3651
02:28:38,950 --> 02:28:37,520
me back to that particular night there's

3652
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:38,960
nothing that i did

3653
02:28:42,550 --> 02:28:40,880
out of the ordinary it was just going to

3654
02:28:44,389 --> 02:28:42,560
bed in

3655
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:44,399
an ordinary night going to bed but like

3656
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:46,240
i said to you earlier about

3657
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:53,670
typically happen either in a going into

3658
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:55,280
a sleeping state

3659
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:58,000
or a waking state without a body

3660
02:29:00,630 --> 02:28:59,840
experiences and mine did actually go

3661
02:29:04,790 --> 02:29:00,640
into

3662
02:29:07,510 --> 02:29:04,800
i wasn't asleep yet

3663
02:29:08,070 --> 02:29:07,520
you know so many have been able to

3664
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:08,080
practice

3665
02:29:13,429 --> 02:29:10,960
the art of uh astral projection and and

3666
02:29:16,150 --> 02:29:13,439
leave their bodies and travel and go

3667
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:16,160
to different cities and travel around

3668
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,080
the planet i've never been able to do it

3669
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:20,080
i haven't done it accidentally either

3670
02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:21,600
like you didn't i

3671
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:24,160
i want to experience it but i just don't

3672
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:26,080
know how

3673
02:29:29,429 --> 02:29:28,560
it yeah it's i would i would i don't

3674
02:29:31,349 --> 02:29:29,439
know if i'd like to

3675
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:31,359
to learn how to do it or not i don't

3676
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,280
know i mean it was very spontaneous

3677
02:29:37,270 --> 02:29:35,120
there was no thought process to it i

3678
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:37,280
hadn't a clue what was going on

3679
02:29:46,630 --> 02:29:45,030
on myself back in my body my body had a

3680
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:46,640
way of being able to

3681
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:50,000
find itself back in naturally it was

3682
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:53,040
just amazing it was a magical duvet

3683
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:55,359
that's what it was let's take our break

3684
02:29:58,950 --> 02:29:56,080
right here

3685
02:29:59,429 --> 02:29:58,960
our guest tonight tracy austin and now

3686
02:30:06,630 --> 02:29:59,439
we

3687
02:30:08,870 --> 02:30:06,640
she's a fantastic radio host and

3688
02:30:10,230 --> 02:30:08,880
researcher and experiencer

3689
02:30:18,610 --> 02:30:10,240
and i haven't talked to tracy in a

3690
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:18,620
couple of years so let's do that when we

3691
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:27,600
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3692
02:30:32,630 --> 02:30:29,920
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3693
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3764
02:34:02,070 --> 02:34:00,309
[Music]

3765
02:34:04,070 --> 02:34:02,080
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3766
02:34:06,389 --> 02:34:04,080
jimmy church

3767
02:34:08,230 --> 02:34:06,399
tonight tracy austin is with us radio

3768
02:34:12,309 --> 02:34:08,240
host tv personality

3769
02:34:14,870 --> 02:34:12,319
and ufo researcher and experiencer

3770
02:34:17,510 --> 02:34:14,880
and when we head into overtime one of

3771
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:17,520
the things that i like to do is

3772
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:20,240
to loosen up a little bit uh that's a

3773
02:34:23,349 --> 02:34:22,319
pretty intense conversation tonight

3774
02:34:27,429 --> 02:34:23,359
tracy

3775
02:34:30,309 --> 02:34:27,439
ndes are a very very serious subject

3776
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:30,319
and uh the book is amazing i encourage

3777
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:31,840
everybody to go and

3778
02:34:35,429 --> 02:34:34,080
and get it i survived beyond him back

3779
02:34:38,469 --> 02:34:35,439
but now i want to

3780
02:34:41,429 --> 02:34:38,479
talk ufos um

3781
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:41,439
pretty crazy times were living in right

3782
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,080
now with

3783
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:44,399
uh the mass media and everything what do

3784
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:47,520
you think is actually going on

3785
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:49,520
oh boy that's a million dollar question

3786
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:50,720
isn't it really um

3787
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:52,880
i've seen so many articles coming out

3788
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,160
over the last few weeks of different

3789
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:56,240
things you know the pentagon confirming

3790
02:35:00,630 --> 02:34:56,880
that

3791
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:00,640
the recent uaps ufo leaks

3792
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:04,319
were genuine um that the navy had

3793
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:06,880
actually taken photographs and footage

3794
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:09,680
uh so much is going on yes i'm beginning

3795
02:35:13,990 --> 02:35:10,240
to think

3796
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:14,000
oh my gosh jimmy is this it is this

3797
02:35:17,110 --> 02:35:15,920
what we've all been waiting for is it

3798
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:17,120
now time

3799
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:19,840
to uh spill the beans on this is

3800
02:35:23,670 --> 02:35:21,120
disclosure

3801
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:23,680
around the corner do you think that it

3802
02:35:28,230 --> 02:35:25,600
is

3803
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:28,240
i think something's coming i think

3804
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:29,200
something's coming

3805
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:32,399
um i didn't know i i've never really

3806
02:35:37,510 --> 02:35:34,880
thought if the government would be

3807
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:37,520
the establishment to release anything

3808
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,560
like that

3809
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:41,439
but it seems to be some some of it is

3810
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:42,560
coming from there

3811
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:44,560
i always thought that the science

3812
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:47,359
community would be the ones to actually

3813
02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:51,359
release some kind of information but uh

3814
02:35:55,429 --> 02:35:54,160
nah it seems that the government's uh or

3815
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:55,439
divisions of the governments

3816
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:58,640
are acknowledging this it seems which is

3817
02:36:06,070 --> 02:36:01,680
great okay um

3818
02:36:08,230 --> 02:36:06,080
is it a comfortable zone for us to be in

3819
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:08,240
to have the government suddenly be our

3820
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:09,439
friend

3821
02:36:13,510 --> 02:36:11,280
right when it comes to ufos when it's

3822
02:36:17,510 --> 02:36:13,520
been nothing but ridicule

3823
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:17,520
crazy tinfoil had conspiracy ufo people

3824
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:21,040
and now suddenly we're to embrace

3825
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:30,950
i think there's a couple of ways of of

3826
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:33,520
looking at that i mean

3827
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:36,000
do we trust the government do we trust

3828
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:38,240
the government to be truthful with us

3829
02:36:42,790 --> 02:36:41,840
um i i don't know and i think in a lot

3830
02:36:45,510 --> 02:36:42,800
of cases

3831
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:45,520
it's hard to trust the government do we

3832
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:47,600
if we really think about it do we really

3833
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:48,240
need

3834
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:50,800
disclosure are we have we not already

3835
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:52,640
had disclosure

3836
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:55,920
do we really need a president or someone

3837
02:36:58,230 --> 02:36:57,280
from the government too yep it's

3838
02:37:01,429 --> 02:36:58,240
absolutely

3839
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:01,439
real we have been visited

3840
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:04,960
uh a long long long time and we've had

3841
02:37:09,670 --> 02:37:07,280
to keep it from you because

3842
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:09,680
um i think disclosure kind of always

3843
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:11,040
already is among us

3844
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:12,880
well that's the question i'm going to

3845
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:14,240
ask you you just

3846
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:16,000
asked the question out loud without

3847
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:17,359
answering it

3848
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:19,920
do we need the president on live

3849
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:21,920
television

3850
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:24,800
um i don't think so probably some people

3851
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:26,399
do need it

3852
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:27,600
probably some people do need the

3853
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:30,240
president to say it and others don't

3854
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:31,439
because we all know

3855
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:33,200
we all know there's something going on

3856
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:35,280
more and more people now

3857
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:38,640
who have been skeptics are now seeing

3858
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:39,439
things

3859
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:41,280
that they haven't seen before and

3860
02:37:44,469 --> 02:37:43,120
beginning to understand what is that

3861
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:44,479
what am i looking at

3862
02:37:50,630 --> 02:37:48,000
is this what they term a ufo

3863
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,640
um so i don't know i mean i i'm kind of

3864
02:37:54,790 --> 02:37:52,399
on the fence with it sometimes i

3865
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:54,800
i think to myself it would be great and

3866
02:37:59,910 --> 02:37:56,880
other times

3867
02:38:03,590 --> 02:37:59,920
no because we already know what would it

3868
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:03,600
do really what would it do

3869
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:07,120
well for many that have an emotional

3870
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:10,240
personal reason for being in this

3871
02:38:15,030 --> 02:38:11,680
community

3872
02:38:16,309 --> 02:38:15,040
they need something official they need

3873
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:16,319
that confirmation

3874
02:38:20,309 --> 02:38:18,960
and i totally get that and every time i

3875
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:20,319
go into that

3876
02:38:25,429 --> 02:38:23,680
uh position argument if you will that we

3877
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:25,439
don't need disclosure we've already seen

3878
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:26,880
what

3879
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:29,760
you get so much pushback from taking

3880
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:30,640
that stance

3881
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,640
where i think the vast majority of the

3882
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:34,160
ufo community

3883
02:38:38,389 --> 02:38:36,240
wants needs and expects you know

3884
02:38:41,750 --> 02:38:38,399
something official to happen

3885
02:38:43,270 --> 02:38:41,760
um and that's it's and i i totally

3886
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:43,280
understand where they're coming from i

3887
02:38:46,550 --> 02:38:43,920
totally

3888
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:46,560
get it me saying i don't need disclosure

3889
02:38:53,270 --> 02:38:48,479
man it's already here i've seen stuff in

3890
02:38:56,710 --> 02:38:55,429
that's gonna create an argument that

3891
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:56,720
that is a bad

3892
02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:59,359
position i think for most of us to take

3893
02:39:02,230 --> 02:39:00,399
when

3894
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:02,240
i'm talking about radio host and people

3895
02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:04,000
that are in a position to speak on this

3896
02:39:08,309 --> 02:39:04,960
subject

3897
02:39:10,309 --> 02:39:08,319
when the vast majority they are waiting

3898
02:39:13,110 --> 02:39:10,319
for that moment right

3899
02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:13,120
they are anxiously waiting for something

3900
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:14,080
official

3901
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:16,240
some probably are and they like you said

3902
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:17,920
that that's that's what they need

3903
02:39:21,270 --> 02:39:18,800
perhaps they

3904
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:21,280
they have to have that i mean i i

3905
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:22,880
interview how much of it are they going

3906
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:24,160
to tell us i

3907
02:39:28,790 --> 02:39:26,640
i interviewed jorge martine miranda a

3908
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:28,800
few sundays ago from puerto rico

3909
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:33,200
oh yeah i had uh away

3910
02:39:36,309 --> 02:39:34,960
i had serena wright taylor on the show

3911
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:36,319
last night

3912
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:38,880
and you know she's in constant contact

3913
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:39,680
with jorge

3914
02:39:44,389 --> 02:39:42,560
she was so excited that you were going

3915
02:39:46,230 --> 02:39:44,399
to be on the show tonight that jorge was

3916
02:39:48,469 --> 02:39:46,240
on your show

3917
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:48,479
yeah well i enjoyed uh i've always

3918
02:39:51,990 --> 02:39:50,560
wanted to interview him and i never had

3919
02:39:54,309 --> 02:39:52,000
the platform to do it

3920
02:39:57,270 --> 02:39:54,319
but with kgra i had the platform to do

3921
02:40:00,870 --> 02:39:57,280
it and i did a full two hour show

3922
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:00,880
and jimmy it's amazing what people are

3923
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:03,040
encountering out puerto rico and it's

3924
02:40:06,790 --> 02:40:03,760
not just

3925
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:06,800
ufos and et's

3926
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:09,439
they're now having sightings of

3927
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:10,880
gargoyles

3928
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:13,600
oh i haven't heard that one yet yes

3929
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:14,640
gargoyles

3930
02:40:20,309 --> 02:40:18,000
and uh what is it about puerto rico man

3931
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:20,319
that's what i asked him that's what i

3932
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:21,600
asked jorge i said

3933
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:24,319
mexico has all of these different things

3934
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:25,279
going on

3935
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:27,760
puerto rico uh some of the caribbean

3936
02:40:31,670 --> 02:40:28,479
islands

3937
02:40:33,429 --> 02:40:31,680
what is it and um of course he didn't

3938
02:40:35,269 --> 02:40:33,439
know he couldn't answer it but people

3939
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:35,279
are now seeing gargoyles

3940
02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:38,319
out there and these gargoyles are you

3941
02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:38,800
know

3942
02:40:51,110 --> 02:40:42,240
uh nine ten feet tall and he

3943
02:40:57,269 --> 02:40:54,870
roof of a home no way

3944
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:57,279
yeah fighting i gotta get jorge on this

3945
02:41:00,389 --> 02:40:58,080
show

3946
02:41:01,670 --> 02:41:00,399
um i wan okay let's let's back up for a

3947
02:41:03,590 --> 02:41:01,680
second you

3948
02:41:05,670 --> 02:41:03,600
this is what i find really interesting

3949
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:05,680
about the ufo subject

3950
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:09,520
is the pentagon

3951
02:41:14,710 --> 02:41:13,600
said last week that yes these videos are

3952
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:14,720
real

3953
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:17,680
what the pentagon didn't say yeah the

3954
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:18,880
real videos

3955
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:21,920
okay all right they didn't say these are

3956
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:24,720
of ufos and things not of this earth

3957
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:25,600
that's not what the

3958
02:41:31,190 --> 02:41:28,720
pentagon said but

3959
02:41:32,309 --> 02:41:31,200
the ufo community and those talking

3960
02:41:34,870 --> 02:41:32,319
about this

3961
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:34,880
suddenly want to put the spin on this

3962
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:36,160
that the navy

3963
02:41:43,269 --> 02:41:39,760
shot videos of pyramid-shaped

3964
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:43,279
flying objects right and it

3965
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:45,600
but it's the community two things are

3966
02:41:49,510 --> 02:41:47,120
happening at the same time

3967
02:41:51,030 --> 02:41:49,520
the community is accepting that and

3968
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:51,040
number two the media

3969
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:54,640
is okay with saying that that the navy

3970
02:41:59,269 --> 02:41:55,920
has shot ufos

3971
02:42:02,070 --> 02:41:59,279
that were swarming over

3972
02:42:03,030 --> 02:42:02,080
some of their ships it's never been like

3973
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:03,040
that before

3974
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,279
in the media or with the community in

3975
02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:07,279
pop culture

3976
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:10,720
church it's pretty crazy

3977
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:13,600
it is um it's it's surprising but it's

3978
02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:14,399
also

3979
02:42:19,269 --> 02:42:17,680
surprising in a good way i think and uh

3980
02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:19,279
there was an interesting clip that i put

3981
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:20,800
on my facebook page

3982
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:23,040
about a few a few days ago i think it

3983
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:24,800
was the april the 6th

3984
02:42:29,349 --> 02:42:26,479
uh a very interesting clip of an

3985
02:42:32,630 --> 02:42:29,359
interview from former cia

3986
02:42:35,750 --> 02:42:32,640
director um james woolsey

3987
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:35,760
woolsey uh he said that he hopes that

3988
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:38,240
we can be friendly with a this was

3989
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:39,439
something from the black

3990
02:42:43,269 --> 02:42:42,000
vault yeah with john greenwald very

3991
02:42:47,429 --> 02:42:43,279
interesting interview

3992
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:47,439
yes yeah so whis i mean that's a

3993
02:42:51,429 --> 02:42:50,080
the former cia director saying these

3994
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:51,439
things

3995
02:42:55,349 --> 02:42:54,960
it's it's getting pretty wild i don't

3996
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:55,359
know

3997
02:42:58,870 --> 02:42:58,160
what to make of it in all honesty do do

3998
02:43:01,190 --> 02:42:58,880
we trust

3999
02:43:02,309 --> 02:43:01,200
what what we are being told or what

4000
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:02,319
we're seeing

4001
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:03,920
do we think something's going to come

4002
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:06,080
forward is there some disclosure i would

4003
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:08,720
hope so i hope something is coming

4004
02:43:13,269 --> 02:43:12,000
um but again how much of it are we going

4005
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:13,279
to be told

4006
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:16,160
now well that's the question that

4007
02:43:22,070 --> 02:43:19,680
everybody is asking about the uap's

4008
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:22,080
task force report that is due to the

4009
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:24,479
senate intelligence committee

4010
02:43:29,429 --> 02:43:28,000
i think the ufo community and i

4011
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:29,439
understand why

4012
02:43:32,790 --> 02:43:31,040
is hopeful that something is going to be

4013
02:43:35,269 --> 02:43:32,800
in that report

4014
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:35,279
that references e.t or something off

4015
02:43:39,190 --> 02:43:36,000
world

4016
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:39,200
do you think that we will see something

4017
02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:42,080
like that in this report

4018
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:46,160
um i don't know i would hope

4019
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:49,359
that we could have something that would

4020
02:43:54,230 --> 02:43:52,000
give us some information of of actually

4021
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:54,240
what is going on here

4022
02:43:57,910 --> 02:43:55,840
i mean it's been going on for so long i

4023
02:43:59,830 --> 02:43:57,920
mean years ago i used to say you know

4024
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:59,840
well maybe five five years down the road

4025
02:44:02,950 --> 02:44:01,520
something will come forward something

4026
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:02,960
will be released

4027
02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:05,359
and of course five years comes and goes

4028
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:06,640
and there's nothing

4029
02:44:09,750 --> 02:44:08,720
this i think is the closest to it that

4030
02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:09,760
i've

4031
02:44:17,990 --> 02:44:13,680
seen in a long time yeah it's tangible

4032
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:18,000
it's tangible yeah it's not intense

4033
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:20,880
like it like it used to be um now

4034
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:22,080
there's also

4035
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:25,200
uh a lot of chatter uh that is going

4036
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:26,399
around

4037
02:44:31,269 --> 02:44:30,319
about uh an alien invasion or a false

4038
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:31,279
flag and this

4039
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:34,319
is you know starting to preface for that

4040
02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:36,160
and that's why the space force was

4041
02:44:40,070 --> 02:44:38,080
created and the funding and

4042
02:44:42,469 --> 02:44:40,080
and how the military is getting involved

4043
02:44:44,309 --> 02:44:42,479
with this do you think a false flag and

4044
02:44:47,830 --> 02:44:44,319
alien invasion

4045
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:47,840
is possible i think anything's possible

4046
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:49,600
isn't it

4047
02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:52,319
really i think it's i think it is

4048
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:53,680
possible

4049
02:45:00,710 --> 02:44:56,720
why why yes

4050
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:00,720
anything is possible but why ultimately

4051
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:04,319
why would something like

4052
02:45:11,190 --> 02:45:08,000
that happen is it to unite the planet

4053
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:11,200
is it to fund the military you know why

4054
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:14,399
would that type of uh

4055
02:45:22,870 --> 02:45:18,640
conspiracy be played on the world

4056
02:45:25,750 --> 02:45:22,880
i have no idea well control

4057
02:45:27,269 --> 02:45:25,760
don't you think control of the masses

4058
02:45:29,750 --> 02:45:27,279
control of the masses

4059
02:45:30,309 --> 02:45:29,760
for example here's an example that i saw

4060
02:45:34,710 --> 02:45:30,319
on

4061
02:45:37,830 --> 02:45:34,720
instagram today pfizer announces covid19

4062
02:45:42,309 --> 02:45:37,840
vaccine upgrade now includes

4063
02:45:44,950 --> 02:45:42,319
microsoft chip for reduced symptoms

4064
02:45:45,670 --> 02:45:44,960
what well now what do you think about

4065
02:45:49,190 --> 02:45:45,680
that now

4066
02:45:51,990 --> 02:45:49,200
who posted that this is

4067
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:52,000
this was posted by a friend of mine

4068
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:54,160
named sloane balor

4069
02:45:59,910 --> 02:45:57,040
under the term of politics pfizer

4070
02:46:03,190 --> 02:45:59,920
announces covid19 vaccine upgrade

4071
02:46:06,710 --> 02:46:03,200
now includes microsoft chip for reduced

4072
02:46:12,309 --> 02:46:06,720
symptoms now

4073
02:46:15,030 --> 02:46:12,319
so what how how can we trust any of this

4074
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:15,040
this is you know when i when i hear

4075
02:46:19,910 --> 02:46:16,800
something like that

4076
02:46:22,070 --> 02:46:19,920
and anything is possible of course

4077
02:46:24,070 --> 02:46:22,080
but if you consider everything that we

4078
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:24,080
went through in 2020 with

4079
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:25,760
you know thousands of different

4080
02:46:30,790 --> 02:46:27,520
conspiracy theories

4081
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:30,800
not only about uh kovid but politics or

4082
02:46:35,030 --> 02:46:31,680
religion or

4083
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:35,040
race or the bill gate whatever

4084
02:46:40,630 --> 02:46:38,080
everything was uh put out there

4085
02:46:42,790 --> 02:46:40,640
and one of the things when you have all

4086
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:42,800
these blown-up headlines

4087
02:46:47,429 --> 02:46:44,720
and all of this controversy and the way

4088
02:46:48,870 --> 02:46:47,439
that social media deals with it

4089
02:46:50,550 --> 02:46:48,880
you've got four and a half million

4090
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:50,560
people on this planet

4091
02:46:55,590 --> 02:46:53,680
on the internet right so these stories

4092
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:55,600
flourish and spread

4093
02:47:02,870 --> 02:46:58,800
and then the ufo situation in

4094
02:47:05,429 --> 02:47:02,880
et and contact is blurred

4095
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:05,439
that's hidden with everything else that

4096
02:47:09,030 --> 02:47:06,560
is exploding

4097
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:09,040
out into the headlines and that's the

4098
02:47:13,750 --> 02:47:10,960
fascinating part when you hear something

4099
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:13,760
like what you just said right there

4100
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:16,319
e.t is not even in the picture of

4101
02:47:20,389 --> 02:47:17,359
extraordinary

4102
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:20,399
right it's like right right if you're

4103
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:21,200
going to bury

4104
02:47:27,269 --> 02:47:24,800
a story e.t contact uh

4105
02:47:29,110 --> 02:47:27,279
everything else that's going on well

4106
02:47:30,070 --> 02:47:29,120
last year was the craziest year in the

4107
02:47:33,349 --> 02:47:30,080
history of

4108
02:47:33,750 --> 02:47:33,359
of of everything and so the question of

4109
02:47:37,429 --> 02:47:33,760
et

4110
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:37,439
a back seat

4111
02:47:41,030 --> 02:47:40,240
hey yeah go ahead yeah it takes a back

4112
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:41,040
seat

4113
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:43,920
so it makes you think you know what do

4114
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:45,040
we trust here

4115
02:47:50,070 --> 02:47:48,720
what is the real deal um

4116
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,080
it's like we don't know what to believe

4117
02:47:53,510 --> 02:47:52,160
anymore jimmy and and people have been

4118
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:53,520
you know if we just talk about the

4119
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:55,279
vaccine at the moment for covid people

4120
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:58,160
have been talking about

4121
02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:00,960
you know wanting to uh have world

4122
02:48:05,750 --> 02:48:03,680
domination over the the masses

4123
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:05,760
with this vaccine that includes a

4124
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:07,279
microchip and that

4125
02:48:10,710 --> 02:48:09,120
bill gates has been wanting to do that

4126
02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:10,720
forever

4127
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:14,560
what do we see in this post that

4128
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:18,319
this vaccine can now be upgraded

4129
02:48:25,670 --> 02:48:21,680
with a microsoft chip

4130
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:25,680
a microsoft chip for reduced symptoms

4131
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:29,600
um that needs to be fact checked

4132
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:31,279
i'm not going to go down that road too

4133
02:48:36,630 --> 02:48:33,600
quickly i mean that scares

4134
02:48:40,950 --> 02:48:36,640
and let me tell you why that scares me

4135
02:48:44,710 --> 02:48:43,910
along with the military and physicians

4136
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:44,720
have

4137
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:46,800
developed a chip that goes under your

4138
02:48:51,910 --> 02:48:49,520
skin that will tell you

4139
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:51,920
if you have coveted before you have

4140
02:48:55,349 --> 02:48:53,200
symptoms

4141
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:55,359
now that's that isn't a press release

4142
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:56,399
that is a

4143
02:49:02,389 --> 02:48:59,600
an actual government release that is uh

4144
02:49:04,070 --> 02:49:02,399
from darpa and from the us military

4145
02:49:06,790 --> 02:49:04,080
that's pretty scary

4146
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:06,800
the other part of this and this was an

4147
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:07,520
interview

4148
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:10,080
with uh one of the developers of this

4149
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:10,880
chip he

4150
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:12,800
then he went on to say this two two days

4151
02:49:18,630 --> 02:49:15,520
ago he went on to say

4152
02:49:19,670 --> 02:49:18,640
uh i'm paraphrasing here we have also

4153
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:19,680
developed a

4154
02:49:27,830 --> 02:49:23,040
filter that

4155
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:27,840
will remove the virus from your blood

4156
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:35,030
now that's crazy and

4157
02:49:38,870 --> 02:49:36,560
and darpa said well we're trying to

4158
02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:38,880
figure out ways this is the military

4159
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:39,520
right

4160
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,080
we're trying to develop ways to end

4161
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:44,000
pandemics

4162
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:47,200
now so you hear that that's a fact right

4163
02:49:50,309 --> 02:49:49,200
these are facts and then you hear

4164
02:49:51,990 --> 02:49:50,319
something

4165
02:49:54,309 --> 02:49:52,000
like what you're saying and the two are

4166
02:49:56,150 --> 02:49:54,319
not far removed from each other

4167
02:49:58,150 --> 02:49:56,160
it's pretty fascinating pretty

4168
02:49:58,870 --> 02:49:58,160
fascinating days that we find ourselves

4169
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:58,880
in

4170
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:01,279
it is and it's all it's all fear-based

4171
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:02,160
isn't it

4172
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:05,200
all of it all of it's fear-based now

4173
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:07,359
and here's the other part your closure

4174
02:50:12,550 --> 02:50:09,120
with e.t

4175
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:12,560
and if we take a look at this uh

4176
02:50:19,190 --> 02:50:16,160
as a whole the way the media has been

4177
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:19,200
dealing with the et question lately you

4178
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:20,160
have science

4179
02:50:26,469 --> 02:50:23,200
talking about uh how many

4180
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:26,479
planets are now uh in our milky way 80

4181
02:50:30,550 --> 02:50:28,720
billion that are rocky earth like that

4182
02:50:33,910 --> 02:50:30,560
could have life on it

4183
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:33,920
all in the goldilocks zone 80 billion in

4184
02:50:38,309 --> 02:50:36,479
1995 we had one

4185
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:38,319
right now today they're talking about 80

4186
02:50:43,590 --> 02:50:40,399
billion now we've got

4187
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:43,600
uh radio signals coming from

4188
02:50:48,469 --> 02:50:47,200
uh jupiter we've got a fast radio burst

4189
02:50:51,110 --> 02:50:48,479
coming in from

4190
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:51,120
different parts of the universe we have

4191
02:50:59,510 --> 02:50:52,960
all of this activity in the world of

4192
02:51:03,429 --> 02:51:01,510
davey we've got the pentagon and we've

4193
02:51:04,309 --> 02:51:03,439
got the senate intelligence committee we

4194
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:04,319
have the uap

4195
02:51:09,990 --> 02:51:07,359
task force all of that is going on

4196
02:51:11,429 --> 02:51:10,000
at the same time and it seems like a

4197
02:51:14,710 --> 02:51:11,439
concerted effort

4198
02:51:17,190 --> 02:51:14,720
marketing campaign to push the et

4199
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:17,200
and agenda out into the public for

4200
02:51:21,670 --> 02:51:18,399
acceptance

4201
02:51:25,750 --> 02:51:24,550
uh i don't either but you know some

4202
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:25,760
years ago

4203
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:27,920
there was to think of her name i can't

4204
02:51:32,790 --> 02:51:29,120
think of a name

4205
02:51:34,870 --> 02:51:32,800
there was a chinese representative

4206
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:34,880
a chinese scientist that was picked at

4207
02:51:40,389 --> 02:51:37,760
the united nations as an ambassador

4208
02:51:41,349 --> 02:51:40,399
to actually she was appointed to

4209
02:51:44,230 --> 02:51:41,359
actually

4210
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:44,240
be the first person the first point at

4211
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:44,720
first

4212
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:47,520
point of contact for ets should they

4213
02:51:52,790 --> 02:51:49,040
land

4214
02:51:54,469 --> 02:51:52,800
on american soil and i just can't think

4215
02:51:56,309 --> 02:51:54,479
of her name but she was a she's a

4216
02:51:58,389 --> 02:51:56,319
chinese

4217
02:52:01,030 --> 02:51:58,399
scientist that was appointed she is the

4218
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:01,040
first point of contact

4219
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:04,319
so what what's what's that all about

4220
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:07,680
it's all happening at the same time and

4221
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:11,279
i i now the the fake alien invasion part

4222
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,080
you can put that on the back burner but

4223
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:16,000
it feels to me

4224
02:52:20,550 --> 02:52:19,120
i i and my gut is never wrong i think

4225
02:52:22,630 --> 02:52:20,560
the government knows

4226
02:52:24,389 --> 02:52:22,640
something eminent is about to happen we

4227
02:52:27,910 --> 02:52:24,399
just had omua

4228
02:52:28,230 --> 02:52:27,920
you know cruise through our solar system

4229
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:28,240
and

4230
02:52:35,990 --> 02:52:32,479
extraterrestrial

4231
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:36,000
uh describing this through data

4232
02:52:40,630 --> 02:52:39,520
as a possible uh object that was built

4233
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:40,640
outside of our

4234
02:52:44,469 --> 02:52:43,840
uh star system now all of this is

4235
02:52:47,910 --> 02:52:44,479
happening

4236
02:52:50,469 --> 02:52:47,920
at the same time i you

4237
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,479
you have to think that maybe the

4238
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:52,080
government knows of an

4239
02:52:58,550 --> 02:52:54,080
imminent situation that they've got to

4240
02:53:03,990 --> 02:53:01,910
yeah they do um but you know you also

4241
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:04,000
think back to

4242
02:53:07,670 --> 02:53:06,640
1947 and the crash of roswell that so

4243
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:07,680
many people are so

4244
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:11,120
tired of hearing and the lies

4245
02:53:14,550 --> 02:53:13,040
about all of that that that really

4246
02:53:17,429 --> 02:53:14,560
didn't happen that was just

4247
02:53:18,710 --> 02:53:17,439
dummies that were in some kind of test

4248
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:18,720
in the desert

4249
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:20,800
um i think that they've had their i

4250
02:53:25,349 --> 02:53:22,800
think the government have had their back

4251
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:25,359
uh they've been pushed to the wall that

4252
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:26,000
they

4253
02:53:42,790 --> 02:53:39,760
but are afraid to actually

4254
02:53:45,429 --> 02:53:42,800
say outright because

4255
02:53:46,469 --> 02:53:45,439
then they've got egg on their faces they

4256
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:46,479
would have a lot

4257
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:50,399
to do uh

4258
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:54,240
for sure now um and to take all of this

4259
02:53:59,510 --> 02:53:55,760
a step further

4260
02:54:01,269 --> 02:53:59,520
when you have uh the navy you have the

4261
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:01,279
pile of testimony

4262
02:54:04,389 --> 02:54:03,359
you've got those three videos that came

4263
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:04,399
out uh

4264
02:54:08,550 --> 02:54:06,560
three almost four years ago now with

4265
02:54:12,630 --> 02:54:08,560
these recent videos

4266
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:12,640
it seems that it's a united states navy

4267
02:54:18,309 --> 02:54:14,640
issue suddenly it's not an air force

4268
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:18,319
issue and it's not a civilian issue

4269
02:54:21,830 --> 02:54:20,720
where we have had so many people like

4270
02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:21,840
yourself

4271
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:23,840
that have had their own experiences but

4272
02:54:27,269 --> 02:54:25,920
the government isn't hearing that side

4273
02:54:29,510 --> 02:54:27,279
of the story

4274
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:29,520
they're only getting the military

4275
02:54:33,830 --> 02:54:31,760
fear-based agenda

4276
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:33,840
uh presented to them shouldn't they hear

4277
02:54:38,309 --> 02:54:36,000
from people like you and i

4278
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:38,319
oh i think they absolutely should i mean

4279
02:54:41,349 --> 02:54:39,200
it it it's

4280
02:54:43,429 --> 02:54:41,359
and i said this on the show on sunday

4281
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:43,439
when i talked about it briefly

4282
02:54:48,309 --> 02:54:46,479
it's it's like um

4283
02:54:49,830 --> 02:54:48,319
we're stuck in time the government's

4284
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:49,840
stuck in time

4285
02:54:57,190 --> 02:54:53,840
of still asking are ufos real

4286
02:54:57,910 --> 02:54:57,200
we are so beyond that jimmy we're so

4287
02:55:01,349 --> 02:54:57,920
beyond

4288
02:55:01,990 --> 02:55:01,359
our ufos real what about abductions

4289
02:55:05,030 --> 02:55:02,000
let's talk

4290
02:55:06,070 --> 02:55:05,040
about many millions of abductions let's

4291
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:06,080
talk about

4292
02:55:09,110 --> 02:55:08,080
the objects that are found in people's

4293
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:09,120
bodies that

4294
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:11,760
uh my dear friend the late dr roger leah

4295
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:13,439
who i was great friends with

4296
02:55:19,670 --> 02:55:16,560
um removed 17

4297
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:19,680
suspected alien implants up until his

4298
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:23,040
death and then of course daryl sims

4299
02:55:26,150 --> 02:55:25,359
great guy who's now doing this and

4300
02:55:29,830 --> 02:55:26,160
removing

4301
02:55:31,190 --> 02:55:29,840
implants as well um something's going on

4302
02:55:33,830 --> 02:55:31,200
the government knows this

4303
02:55:35,429 --> 02:55:33,840
it's like they don't want to see that

4304
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:35,439
part of it they don't want to understand

4305
02:55:40,150 --> 02:55:37,200
it they don't want to acknowledge it

4306
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:40,160
they only want to go back as far as are

4307
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:42,080
ufos real

4308
02:55:46,790 --> 02:55:46,160
we are beyond that do you think uh one

4309
02:55:49,269 --> 02:55:46,800
last uh

4310
02:55:50,870 --> 02:55:49,279
question uh which is the other million

4311
02:55:53,190 --> 02:55:50,880
dollar question

4312
02:55:55,349 --> 02:55:53,200
um and it's not just the united states

4313
02:55:56,309 --> 02:55:55,359
government but let's just stay there for

4314
02:55:59,349 --> 02:55:56,319
now

4315
02:56:02,309 --> 02:55:59,359
do you think that the government is in

4316
02:56:04,469 --> 02:56:02,319
possession of retrieved alien vehicles

4317
02:56:06,550 --> 02:56:04,479
maybe they were gifted one

4318
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:06,560
maybe one crashed but do you think that

4319
02:56:13,030 --> 02:56:08,800
they are in possession of

4320
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:13,040
uh crashed alien vehicles i do

4321
02:56:17,030 --> 02:56:16,319
and i don't think they're at area 51 i

4322
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:17,040
mean

4323
02:56:20,870 --> 02:56:18,720
listen i'm in las vegas i live in las

4324
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:20,880
vegas i see the janet airplanes

4325
02:56:28,230 --> 02:56:24,399
all the time um i think that's just

4326
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:28,240
a front we know black project

4327
02:56:32,230 --> 02:56:30,240
you know black budget projects go on at

4328
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:32,240
area 51 i don't think there's anything

4329
02:56:37,269 --> 02:56:33,120
there

4330
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:37,279
right paterson

4331
02:56:41,670 --> 02:56:40,000
air force base you know when i lived in

4332
02:56:43,590 --> 02:56:41,680
california jimmy i always seem to get

4333
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:43,600
involved with people who

4334
02:56:47,590 --> 02:56:46,640
are involved in the ufo subject of some

4335
02:56:51,190 --> 02:56:47,600
kind

4336
02:56:52,150 --> 02:56:51,200
and when i first uh came to the united

4337
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:52,160
states

4338
02:56:56,550 --> 02:56:54,720
and i was uh i'm now a citizen but at

4339
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:56,560
the time i had to wait until i could get

4340
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:57,680
my green card

4341
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,960
for me to to have a job and so i worked

4342
02:57:05,750 --> 02:57:02,880
at when i did get my green card i worked

4343
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:05,760
for an ophthalmologist in california

4344
02:57:09,349 --> 02:57:07,600
and every tuesday there would be a

4345
02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:09,359
gentleman that would come by

4346
02:57:14,550 --> 02:57:12,800
who was the contact lens guy and i only

4347
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:14,560
ever knew his first name is

4348
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:17,920
doug and uh i was there in the

4349
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:19,520
ophthalmologist's office with

4350
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:21,600
with other other girls other employees

4351
02:57:26,630 --> 02:57:23,520
and and doug would come by

4352
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:26,640
and at the time the movie came out

4353
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:30,080
signs with mel gibson

4354
02:57:34,389 --> 02:57:31,840
and so we're all sitting there having a

4355
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:34,399
conversation on this particular tuesday

4356
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:37,920
and i turned to doug and i said to doug

4357
02:57:41,670 --> 02:57:39,920
what do you think doug have you seen

4358
02:57:43,110 --> 02:57:41,680
that movie signed yet he said no i

4359
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:43,120
haven't seen it yet but i

4360
02:57:47,269 --> 02:57:45,840
i plan to and i said what do you think

4361
02:57:51,910 --> 02:57:47,279
do you think there is life out there

4362
02:57:56,309 --> 02:57:51,920
in the universe and he said um

4363
02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:56,319
i kind of think that there is

4364
02:58:04,790 --> 02:58:01,830
have you had experiences or something

4365
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:04,800
and he said well he said i'll tell you

4366
02:58:08,950 --> 02:58:05,520
this

4367
02:58:12,150 --> 02:58:08,960
he said i was at my my parents house

4368
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:12,160
one night and uh

4369
02:58:16,230 --> 02:58:14,560
my my father was upstairs my mother was

4370
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:16,240
downstairs

4371
02:58:24,630 --> 02:58:19,520
and my mother shouts up to my father and

4372
02:58:26,150 --> 02:58:24,640
says you're on the tv come downstairs

4373
02:58:29,910 --> 02:58:26,160
and i said you're on the tv come

4374
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:29,920
downstairs who is your father

4375
02:58:42,550 --> 02:58:38,790
and i said oh my

4376
02:58:44,630 --> 02:58:42,560
god you're kidding me he says no my

4377
02:58:46,870 --> 02:58:44,640
father is general exxon

4378
02:58:48,230 --> 02:58:46,880
my father was there at wright-patterson

4379
02:58:50,790 --> 02:58:48,240
air force base

4380
02:58:53,349 --> 02:58:50,800
the day that they bought that crash disk

4381
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:53,359
in with those bodies my father had to

4382
02:58:58,150 --> 02:58:54,960
oversee

4383
02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:58,160
that craft coming in and

4384
02:59:01,910 --> 02:59:00,000
i'd never had a conversation with doug i

4385
02:59:04,389 --> 02:59:01,920
didn't even know his last name

4386
02:59:06,950 --> 02:59:04,399
it's like everywhere i go there is

4387
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:06,960
someone who's involved with this subject

4388
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:10,319
and so i said to him well do you

4389
02:59:14,870 --> 02:59:14,080
think your dad would be okay with the

4390
02:59:18,230 --> 02:59:14,880
little

4391
02:59:20,790 --> 02:59:18,240
blonde british girl interviewing him

4392
02:59:22,630 --> 02:59:20,800
he said well you perhaps ought to give

4393
02:59:24,710 --> 02:59:22,640
him a call he said i'm i'm not going to

4394
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:24,720
give you his number i'm not going to

4395
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:26,880
openly give that to you but look in the

4396
02:59:31,429 --> 02:59:28,080
yellow pages

4397
02:59:32,230 --> 02:59:31,439
he lives on riverside so i thought to

4398
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:32,240
myself

4399
02:59:35,750 --> 02:59:34,479
he doesn't want me to interview his dad

4400
02:59:37,269 --> 02:59:35,760
i won't i won't do it

4401
02:59:39,590 --> 02:59:37,279
i wished i'd have done it now but i

4402
02:59:41,429 --> 02:59:39,600
didn't do it so many years later when i

4403
02:59:42,950 --> 02:59:41,439
moved to las vegas i suddenly thought to

4404
02:59:43,590 --> 02:59:42,960
myself you know maybe i ought to think

4405
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:43,600
of

4406
02:59:49,750 --> 02:59:46,800
interviewing general exxon

4407
02:59:52,790 --> 02:59:49,760
so i looked up in the the the yellow

4408
02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:52,800
pages i found him on riverside i called

4409
02:59:59,349 --> 02:59:56,160
and he'd actually passed away uh

4410
03:00:00,230 --> 02:59:59,359
a year or two previous so i couldn't

4411
03:00:03,110 --> 03:00:00,240
interview him

4412
03:00:05,190 --> 03:00:03,120
so he missed it i i missed that

4413
03:00:05,830 --> 03:00:05,200
opportunity and i could kick myself for

4414
03:00:07,030 --> 03:00:05,840
it

4415
03:00:09,429 --> 03:00:07,040
because i might have been the only

4416
03:00:11,030 --> 03:00:09,439
person that had gotten that close i

4417
03:00:14,230 --> 03:00:11,040
could have interviewed him

4418
03:00:17,110 --> 03:00:14,240
about that time when

4419
03:00:18,710 --> 03:00:17,120
the disc came in and the bodies came in

4420
03:00:21,750 --> 03:00:18,720
tracy thank you so much for

4421
03:00:23,750 --> 03:00:21,760
an absolute extraordinary show tonight

4422
03:00:25,269 --> 03:00:23,760
everybody can catch you sunday nights on

4423
03:00:29,510 --> 03:00:25,279
kgra

4424
03:00:32,070 --> 03:00:29,520
eastern

4425
03:00:33,269 --> 03:00:32,080
7 to 9 pacific who do you have on this

4426
03:00:37,190 --> 03:00:33,279
week

4427
03:00:38,230 --> 03:00:37,200
repeated show i'm actually taking the

4428
03:00:41,510 --> 03:00:38,240
sunday off

4429
03:00:43,910 --> 03:00:41,520
oh you can't do that i know i have to

4430
03:00:44,710 --> 03:00:43,920
i have to this sunday but we will be

4431
03:00:47,269 --> 03:00:44,720
back

4432
03:00:47,830 --> 03:00:47,279
uh the following sunday and i'm hoping

4433
03:00:51,269 --> 03:00:47,840
to have

4434
03:00:54,950 --> 03:00:51,279
on don phillips from the uk

4435
03:00:57,990 --> 03:00:54,960
who owns uh the american supernatural

4436
03:00:59,429 --> 03:00:58,000
website so we're gonna talk to don about

4437
03:01:02,230 --> 03:00:59,439
some amazing

4438
03:01:02,790 --> 03:01:02,240
stuff thank you so much tracy be safe

4439
03:01:05,269 --> 03:01:02,800
out there

4440
03:01:06,950 --> 03:01:05,279
let's talk soon thank you for having me

4441
03:01:08,230 --> 03:01:06,960
on jimmy it's a pleasure

4442
03:01:10,630 --> 03:01:08,240
what a great show what a great

4443
03:01:14,469 --> 03:01:10,640
conversation tracy austin and

4444
03:01:17,230 --> 03:01:14,479
again tracy on the tracey austin

4445
03:01:19,750 --> 03:01:17,240
show.com the links are over at

4446
03:01:22,070 --> 03:01:19,760
jimmychurchradio.com we just

4447
03:01:22,790 --> 03:01:22,080
we just went past it blue passed

4448
03:01:24,870 --> 03:01:22,800
everything

4449
03:01:26,790 --> 03:01:24,880
i got to get straight to the credits

4450
03:01:28,710 --> 03:01:26,800
faded black's executive producer rita

4451
03:01:30,150 --> 03:01:28,720
kamarian shows produced by hill j palm

4452
03:01:31,990 --> 03:01:30,160
rene dennis and kevin

4453
03:01:33,990 --> 03:01:32,000
announcers are steve harder gene patel

4454
03:01:36,710 --> 03:01:34,000
and mark d kovar web webmaster is drew

4455
03:01:39,429 --> 03:01:36,720
the geek music doug aldrich intro

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spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

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fade to black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer network and syndication

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is kgra

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the planet this broadcast owned a

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copyrighted 2021 by fade to black and

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the game changer network inc

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it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe

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without written permission from fade to

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black with the game changer network

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i'm your host jimmy church tomorrow

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night fader night

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open lines all night long until then i

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want everybody to be